From: owner-runequest-rules@lists.ient.com (RuneQuest Rules Digest) To: runequest-rules-digest@lists.ient.com Subject: RuneQuest Rules Digest V4 #108 Reply-To: runequest-rules@lists.ient.com Sender: owner-runequest-rules@lists.ient.com Errors-To: owner-runequest-rules@lists.ient.com Precedence: bulk RuneQuest Rules Digest Sunday, September 9 2001 Volume 04 : Number 108 RuneQuest is a trademark of Hasbro/Avalon Hill Games. All Rights Reserved. TABLE OF CONTENTS RE: [RQ-RULES] Hello? [RQ-RULES] Hello? RE: [RQ-RULES] Hello? RE: [RQ-RULES] Hello? Re: [RQ-RULES] Hsunchen and Hunters RULES OF THE ROAD 1. Do not include large sections of a message in your reply. Especially not to add "Yeah, I agree" or "No, I disagree." Or be excoriated. If someone writes something good and you want to say "good show" please do. But don't include the whole message you praise. 2. Use an appropriate Subject line. 3. Learn the art of paraphrasing: Don't just quote and comment on a point-by-point basis. 4. No anonymous posting, please. Don't say something unless you're ready to stand by it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:17:21 -0700 From: Stephen Perrin Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Hello? I notice I kept this limitation in my Quest Rules (see www.perrinworlds.com), but that was sheer inertia. I think I will go with the same limit as for DEX. Consistency is a wonderful thing. I'll change this sometime this weekend, those of you who have downloaded the character creation file for Quest Rules might want to do so again sometime next week. For newcomers, it's the SPQR tag in my table of contents. Of course, I use a point allocation system, so someone who wants to train up his stats later can always pick one to be 18 and work on the others, but a further reasonable limitation is not a bad thing. Steve Perrin - -----Original Message----- From: peterm/maranci.net@mail.maranci.net To: runequest-rules@lists.ient.com Sent: 8/31/2001 6:54 AM Subject: [RQ-RULES] Hello? So...what. Did I break the list? Where is everyone? ECHO! (echo, echo, echo). Okay, since I'm trying to write up a RQ primer (currently a Word document at http://www.maranci.net/basicrq.doc) I've run across some old rules issues that still bother me. I know they've probably been done to death already, but what the heck Anything is better than this HORRIBLE SILENCE!!! :o) Here's something that bugs me: The CON/STR/SIZ limit. This strikes me as stupid. Why limit CON and STR increase to the highest of CON/STR/SIZ? It's highly artificial. If someone is born with all three characteristics equal (or STR and CON equal, and SIZ lower than they are), they can *never improve themselves*? No matter how much they work out? Please. I understand that the concern was probably to maintain proportion...but this was an overreaction. Since damage bonus is based on STR plus SIZ, you're not likely to get many midgets with huge bonuses anyway. And surely a fantasy setting can cope with a few extremely strong (or healthy) midgets? ->Peter - -- Peter Maranci peter@maranci.net Pete's RuneQuest & Roleplaying! http://www.maranci.net/rq.htm - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Mail2Web - Check your email from the web at http://www.mail2web.com/ . ************************************************************************ *** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:48:23 -0400 From: Viktor Haag Subject: [RQ-RULES] Hello? peterm/maranci.net@mail.maranci.net writes: > Here's something that bugs me: The CON/STR/SIZ limit. This > strikes me as stupid. Why limit CON and STR increase to the > highest of CON/STR/SIZ? It's highly artificial. If someone is > born with all three characteristics equal (or STR and CON > equal, and SIZ lower than they are), they can *never improve > themselves*? No matter how much they work out? Please. > > I understand that the concern was probably to maintain > proportion...but this was an overreaction. Since damage bonus > is based on STR plus SIZ, you're not likely to get many > midgets with huge bonuses anyway. And surely a fantasy setting > can cope with a few extremely strong (or healthy) midgets? I never liked that rule much either. I always thought of the characteristics much more as applied values, and not absolute (with the exception of SIZ). That is, STR is a measure of how well a character can *apply* her available STR and not so much a measure of raw lifting ability. Especially appropriate considering that real-world strength manifests itself in many different ways. In my Karate days, I met plenty of big muscly types who had wonderful lifting strength, but rather poor gripping strength in their hands and feet. (And if you don't think that last one is important, then try standing barefoot on a polished wood floor when someone sends a side kick at your midsection...) Anyway -- my usual ruling was that all characteristics except SIZ were trainable up to the racial limit. If you wanted to train up your STR you paid the regular training costs (time, etc) to train up to your SIZ. To train STR beyond SIZ, you had to pay double. - -- Viktor Haag : Software & Information Design : Research In Motion +--+ "I know a thing or two about mind games... Yeah, but you're just blood sucking demons: they're lawyers." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:22:25 -0700 From: Stephen Perrin Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Hello? Nice idea, Viktor. Not sure if I'll keep it simple or adapt your mechanism as well. Steve Perrin Viktor said: Anyway -- my usual ruling was that all characteristics except SIZ were trainable up to the racial limit. If you wanted to train up your STR you paid the regular training costs (time, etc) to train up to your SIZ. To train STR beyond SIZ, you had to pay double. - -- Viktor Haag : Software & Information Design : Research In Motion +--+ "I know a thing or two about mind games... Yeah, but you're just blood sucking demons: they're lawyers." *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:29:29 -0400 From: trentfs@ix.netcom.com Subject: RE: [RQ-RULES] Hello? Steve Perrin wrote: > Nice idea, Viktor. Not sure if I'll keep it simple or adapt your mechanism >as well. > >Steve Perrin > >Viktor said: >>Anyway -- my usual ruling was that all characteristics except SIZ >>were trainable up to the racial limit. If you wanted to train up >>your STR you paid the regular training costs (time, etc) to train >>up to your SIZ. To train STR beyond SIZ, you had to pay double. I also like this idea and will also probably adopt it into the house systetm. However, as an old-fashioned rules-lawyer game-balance anti-powergamer I'd tend to keep the RQ3 (1.5x[original value]) caps in place as well, especially if characteristics are being chosen through point-allocation, but this may well be a needless complication (since minimaxing powergamers will find ways to minimax and powergame no matter what restrictions you try to place on them). Trent *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 01:59:08 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Ian=20Gordon?= Subject: Re: [RQ-RULES] Hsunchen and Hunters Hi all, Ideas please on how primitive hunter societies and hsunchen interact. I can see foundchild initiates performing the peaceful cut over someone's grandad and wonder whether this would actually be the case. I thought I'd ask here rather than the digest as I wanted to be able to understand the answer. I am of joking of course (well about the digest not about my lack of intellect). Ian Gordon ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. ------------------------------ End of RuneQuest Rules Digest V4 #108 ************************************* *************************************************************************** To unsubscribe from this list send mail to majordomo@lists.ient.com with the line 'unsubscribe runequest-rules' as the body of the message. RuneQuest is a Trademark of Hasbro/Avalon Hill Games. 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