>Me > In an commentary on this in the glorantha digest (about whether
> > the Orlanthi had become Hsunchen), Greg said that the Hidden
> > Kings had taken wolf form and started devouring other Orlanthi
> > such as Heort's deer people. I had suggested that the Hidden
> > Kings might have also turned into ravens whereupon Greg suggested
> > a Dove Tribe.
>I think a lot of this was superceded by the Dawn Age discussion that
>Greg, Harold Smith, Stephen Martin, Shannon Appelcline, Rob Heinsoo and
>I had.
No, it came much later. March 9th 2001.
DD>>I think this episode is code for folks reverting to hsunchenism.
Me>I think it more plausible that the Hidden King had obtained
>a magical shirt that allowed him to transform into a Raven,
It could be.
But as noted, not all animal shapechanging is hsunchen. As "Vadrus
and the Logic Tribe" shows, the Orlanthi know that some animals are
god-originated, not just hsunchen.
>Wolf or somesuch so he could eat foods that no human could.
>Eventually the corpses ran out and he began preying on his
>own people. This has the advantage in that it rings true
>to the Orlanthi tradition while turning Hsunchen does not.
This is very close to what I know of it.
I know I was inspired to this by the Sigurd and Sinfjoti story
where they
become wolves.
And the animosity of the last Vingkotlings (wolves) with the first
Heortlings, who were deer(-like), is not an accident.
Ravens too eh! That makes them even a bit worse. Perhaps Heort was
aided
byt he red breasted swans too.
Glorantha Digest #8 v353.
>We discussed Heort and the survival of the
>Vingkotling-Heortlings to very great detail. The Orlanthi never became
>Hsunchen.
Which is what I was saying in the original debate.
>Heort ultimately had to defeat the Hidden Kings
Which is what I was saying, no?
--Peter Metcalfe
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