Re: Mail-order Char-Un brides

From: jorganos <joe_at_...>
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:54:38 -0000


Jeff Richard:
> Oliver:

>> Fairly alien by our standards. Sort of like Brasilia or Canberra:-)
  

> Or Washington DC. But of course, wasn't that Mumford's complaint - > that such "cities" weren't *really* cities.

By the very nature of Heortling society, "such "cities" weren't *really* cities." My definition for a Heortling city (not town) is any walled structure which has more than a single clan involved. Runegate as seat of a Triaty is skimming the border...

>> So the buildings should be mostly longhouses then. Marble ones for
>> the most part but longhouses.

Heortlings are perfectly comfortable in other structures, as long as they allow them to organize themselves like a stead. In mediaeval European cities as diverse as Kiel/Germany and Galway/Ireland, there were cases of fortified town buildings for surrounding clan chiefs and other nobility/rich folk, basically a more comfortable version of a hillfort broch. Steadlife spread over several stories.

We know Boldhome has (dwarf-built, but Sartar- or Wilms-designed) "pockets" of vertically arranged appartments. My vision of Vizel down in Heortland is similar, a blend between Boldhome pockets and the White Tower of Minas Tirith. I might even be willing to blame either Sestarto or Panaxles for the layout.

>> Maybe the interiors have been set up
>> in some of them so the front parts can be used as stores like the
>> Roman townhouses so we still have a bit of retail commerce.

> Doesn't have to be "longhouses" - but it will have that sort of
> kin-based organization that longhouses suggest.  Could also look 
> like buildings at Mycanae or elsewhere.

I doubt that longhouses would be practical without a court around them, and when you have a fenced court, outhouses suggest themselves quite quickly. The Finnish city of Rauma has been parcelled out into courts which basically make up urban steads, so this is a feasible idea.

>> The inns could be guesthouses that have been more formalized as
>> inns through foreign influence. Their importance of course rises
>> during the seige since Broyan will want the defenders to mix a bit
>> to improve their comaradery (obviously a tactic fraught with peril
>> among the fractious Orlanthi).

> Yep.

Inns also are feeding stations, originally operated by gifted cooks/bakers/brewers, then institutionalized.

>> I think the Shambleshur should still be individual buildings though
>> to accentuate its oddness.

> Sure. Especially if a lot of kinless folk live there.

Another feature of a Heortling city, yes.

>> I like the thought of a hill fort done in marble right down to the
>> faux marble thatching on the longhouses. That's what an Artist
>> would have done:-)

> Great idea! Faux marble thatching is a hoot!

Now we know how the interior of the citadel looks like: the idyllic (Dawn Age) Heortling royal stead caught in marble. Maybe parts of the city, too, but I wouldn't carry this too far. Especially since Whitewall had periods of neglect or even disuse (despite remaining a site for trade fairs with uz attending).

Another example for longhouse-like architecture turned urban are the original buildings on Bergen's Bryggen:
http://www.stiftelsenbryggen.no/1070no.htm

Since the Heortlings (and friends) at the Dawn had a few "urban" shelters, I'm convinced that Sestarto used Heortling or Vingkotling "urban" structures to prepare his city for population.

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