Quoting Kevin McDonald <kpmcdona_at_p63cEwwZSfROxHh1gtpAcnkIkJ6MkKZoj6sdNXEjXUiafBNqfa4IewSR5DFfWQ_p6DOA6YA3aOmOOsjP.yahoo.invalid>:
> On 3/26/07, innerworlder2000 <innerworlder2000_at_oEEJuc2N4xcxC7I3UoAMR0YY0tWKxyowY_eRGkQ-yZ2Ftr4rHnv4z_b4ef8J4OhhjsB0Rve2PDat6tfMfVpI29U7_wg.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>> Was Burntwall the last unconquered city of the Pelandans when
>> Syranthir and the ten thousand came to the Oronin valley?
>
> Burntwall (originally called Shardash) is a city founded by a
> Carmanian Shah much later on. I don't think it exists in any form
> during the MRQ time period.
I agree.
>> Are Carmanians primarily the descendants of the ten-thousand?
>
> Some are, and some are not.
> Moreover, Carmanians are those who accepted the teachings of Carmanos.
VERY important point whihc I glossed over in my answers.
> My feeling is that during the life of the Prophet there were many
> Pelandan converts, and the conquest of the middle and southern
> Pelandan cities really was a war of liberation.
From the Spolite ruling class.
> That began to change
> under the reign of Carmanos' son Surandar when Carmania pushed into
> the Spolite heartland. Conversions are now quite rare.
I think there are converts, but after a while the distinctions become ossified and more rare. But I do believe that ambitious, pious Pelandans do convert from their "saintly gods" to the main religion.
> I wonder if there were members of the Ten Thousand that refused to
> convert and became serfs?
Interesting.
Probably, but I doubt most of them would have passed up a good thing
that was likely to make them better than the commoners.
>> Are there noble Pelandans who are not Carmanians?
>
> Nope. I think the aristocracy is exclusively Carmanian.
Again, when swe used this as a class distinction, Kevin is right. But there could be Pelandan-born folk who become Carmanian, though change in occupation, religion and attitude.
>> In short, who did Syranthir protect from the invading Spolites an in
>> the second age
>
> Syranthir rescued the city-state of Brinnus. Later, Carmanos lead a
> series of campaigns that liberated the cities around Lake Oronin and
> upriver as far as Balovius.
Correct.
> All nobles are Carmanians, but not all Carmanians are nobles.
Good point.
> Sometimes the term "Spolite" is just used to mean "resident of the
> Satrapy of Spol", in which case it is not (usually) a negative term.
Though the people would naturally have a prejudice to NOT consider the differences possible. Kind of like the "All Cretans are liars" attitude.
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