> --- Peter:
>
>> >Actually, I do not believe that the Loskalmi have anything to do
>> >with the Abiding Book.
>> >They continue to regard it as false.
>>
>> This is a marked change from what has been said previously.
>> The Heroquest rules for example talk about it being the prime
>> scripture for both established and marginal churches in the
>> west (HQ p154).
An overstatement.
Sorry.
> The blessings in First Times, one of the two core sciptures of the
> Idealists, are heavily based on those in the Abiding Book, which is I
> suspect what that line means. Rule mechanically, there is not a lot of
> difference between the two.
Actually, I think that the Abiding Book uses some of the parts of the First Times, which predates the AB.
>> Previously the understood wisdom was that the Loskalmi
>> were Rokari (or some mutation thereof)
I know that many previous writings of my own were based on assumptions, but after spending time working out the History of the Religions of the West (for Jamie's book) it was VERY clear to me that the Loskalmi would never have adopted the AB.
> I must admit, I'd always assumed they were Hrestoli from the off, at
> the very least, which would preclude them being Rokari
Yes, a key point.
> I don't think the Malkioni Church has been particularly
> unified since the third century ST, although the Third and Fifth
> Ecclesiastical Councils managed to create illusions of unity that did
> not really last in either case.
Yes, the Ecclesiastical councils to unite the church would not hav ebeen necessary if it had been united!
> I certainly don't see the Rokari as
> ever having been dominant in Fronela - although doubtless they sent
> missionaries.
There are some Rokari in Loskalm, due to missionaries after the Opening. But I'd point out that the outlying provinces, which strive to keeep inedependant of Loskalm, are more likely to be Rokari than any significent numbers of people in Loskalm.
>> But there has been too much information
>> already published to take the position that the
>> Loskalmi are not Malkioni.
>
> Well, that depends what you mean by 'Malkioni'. They do acknowledge
> Malkion the Prophet, which is good enough for me. Greg is evidently
> using a narrower definition than I would - or, indeed, than Heroes of
> Malkion does - because, I assume, he's making the point that the
> Rokari and Idealists are radically different in many respects. Which
> isn't really in dispute, I suspect!
Yes, I agree with Trotsky here.
The Loskalmi DO revere Malkion as a prophet, and thus can be called
Malkioni. But I was using it in the "old sense" it had been used, to
define the "one religion" of the west.
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