Re: Nandandies Re: Real World Vingans

From: John Hughes <john.hughes_at_iY1P7GouqOjRIS9NbRyYG61HQ3lTS03FcBrBClqeVImkLWjm26KUNVaW5JRY70Gk>
Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 09:55:35 +1000


At 05:04 AM 5/04/2007, El Jeffo wrote:

>Ah. So, the women are less accepting than the men are of, say Vinga?

Different modes of acceptance/rejection. For me, Heortling Women have a very finely developed 'clandar', judging others and themselves by complicated formulae nested around loyalty to birth clan, loyalty to marriage clan, worth to clan as a provider/defender/leader, marriageability, fertility and ritual potency. It reflects the journey of most married women from their birth clan to a new home among strangers, slowly proving themselves, investing in the clan of their children and rising to be an epitome of marriage clan loyalties and values.

 >Just as Vingans are not allowed to spy on male ceremonies? =)

I wasn't thinking of Nandans in this case. :)

>Sauce for the goose is, afterall, sauce for the gander.

Sure. There's always going to be an enormous range of variation in acceptance/rejection hidden beneath our gratuitous keywording.

> > So if you're determined to start weaving its a major heroquest
>from
> > scratch, probably including a journey to that place where all
> > Heortling failures go: to town.
> >
>A major heroquest? I really don't think that's the case.

I was being mildly ironic/humorous, a common mode of expression for me, hopefully reflected in the 'failures' comment.

I wuz being ironic above. I'm not now. Put it down to a failure in cross-cultural communication, always fraught with difficulty in these perilous times. It started the Hero Wars, you know. :)

>To me, this is almost as bad as
>the attitude of "Vinga can do anything Orlanth can, but better."

Bad? As a motivational pyschology in a cultural realm where disparagement and rejection are common? As a mythic impulse reflected in the great stories (Not as AOCDVCDB, but as "I Act To Make Allfather Proud"). As a powergaming tendency among certain players to use the cult because of its relative wealth of neat mojo? As a Gloranthan truth? These are all very different things.

>Now, I suppose I shall have to go and do a proper long-form writeup
>of Nandan. I had one lying around for Storm Tribe. Now to find it.

Yes, please. I for one still find the concept a bit nebulous. I need to play a character or write something.

John
(BiLon "Opus" Aoikoori - red-nosed magellanic flatfanny - He who humbly wears with ancestral pride the death kamon of the Blue Ice penguin keets, preserving cosmic harmony, practicing bushi do and balancing eggs on toes since 1604 ST. "Fuurinkahizan! - Warm against the wind, Calm like a kelp forest, Vigilant like the distant sun, Invincible like an iceberg")


           

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