Re: Myth twisting

From: donald_at_nWITMB7mI0c24YdxeQwxuTOZ56wp33kscaB6XJwLMKk8xzt6wR73qNZHzbGFBzPV90KHq
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:14:09 GMT


In message <f2jcpe+v87g_at_eGroups.com> "rune.writer" writes:
>A caveat, then two questions.
>
>These questions may be pure God Learner sophistry and the answers may
>be, "Yeah, so what?" but I'm going to ask them anyway.
>
>1) Some of the stuff I've read seems to indicate a fairly advanced
>Orlanthi culture in the first age (or I could have misread things), eg
>the Lightbringer missionaries. Then I read about the, almost, dark age
>culture of the Heortlings et al.

There were Christian missionaries during the RW "dark ages". However that isn't a very good comparison because the various groups who survived the "Great Dark" were at a much lower level of existance. The only similar examples I can think of are from science fiction - after the world is devastated by atomic bombs, plague or whatever. Probably the nearest RW example is what is now France during the collapse of the Roman empire.

>I read, somewhere, a quote to the effect that a wide spread,
>consistent religion could be taken as evidence of GL interference or
>an inquisition style maintenance of religious orthodoxy. Well, the
>second option doesn't fit with Orlanthi culture, so I'm wondering how
>that culture could be so wide spread, while at the same time being so
>vehemently individualistic.

I don't think the Orlanthi religion is consistant. We have details of how it exists in Sartar and there's a fair bit of variation from one clan to the next. There'll be bigger variations between Sartar and other places.

>My question is, could the current form of Orlanthi culture be an
>effect of GL interference? Could the GLs have re-written the basic
>mythology of Orlanth as some sort of weapon against the EWF, to change
>the culture, so those resistant to EWF mysticism would be even more
>rebellious?

Possibly but it's very difficult to rewrite an entire diffused culture. Nor is there anything in the Mongoose Second Age books to suggest they did.

>2) I re-read the article on redeeming Thed:
>http://www.chimera.info/daedalus/articles/fall2003/redeeming_thed.html
>It makes sense, mythically. OK, it was someone elses' campaign and
>Everybodies' GWV, but I was wondering, where does Gorgorma come from?
>Could Gorgorma, in fact, be Thed? We know that myths can be
>contradictory and the pre-dawn (hence, pre-time) was not bound by
>causality. Could Thed (non-redeemed) have continued as mother of Broos
>and associated nastiness, while the redeemed Thed took a new
>path/name/identity, hence Gorgorma?

I don't think Gorgorma has anything to do with Thed. She has a similar role in Dara Happa to the various Gor cults in Sartar. Mess with Dendara and her sister Gorgorma will sort you out. Just as if you mess with Ernalda her sister Maran or daughter Babeester will sort you out. Even so only a God Learner would try and argue that Gorgorma is Maran Gor.

Remember the account of Thed is from an Orlanthi source and relates to her position in Orlanthi society. The Dara Happen version will be different because Yelm's approach to justice is different. For example Thed's appeal to Yelm may have been refused because she didn't have a man willing to speak for her.

>AsI said, these questions could just be GL nonsense with no MGF
>applicability, but I would be interested to hear others' opinions.

I think it's misleading to try and find too many links. There are all sorts of parallels but when the God Learners tried to make gods the same it didn't work. To me there's more MGF in keeping the differences.

-- 
Donald Oddy
http://www.grove.demon.co.uk/

           

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