Re: Truedragons in the rest of Genertela

From: jorganos <joe_at_o3AwILvujLgWuZgfokUQonWA9x6oKevSIn4G5Vxv05S5eGx0tZEBhYfhH-wO4t6NMcBdFP_N>
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:58:57 -0000


Me:
>> Would any dragon in Real World myth or fantastic literature 
>> (possibly excepting Edison's Ouroboros, who doesn't do anything
>> in "The Worm Ouroboros") qualify [as a True Dragon]?

Andrew Solovay
> There are a number of dragons or dragonlike beings who fought
> gods. I'd suspect that Tiamat (the sea monster destroyed by
> Marduk to create the world) would qualify, and possibly the
> Midgard Serpent (which kills, and is killed by, Thor).

Being involved in world creation probably qualifies. Ending the world might, too.

> Based on what the Greg wrote, my assumption would be:
> If the dragon is as powerful as a major god (i.e. when
> the god fights the dragon, he's doing something mighty
> and heroic), that's a "true dragon".

That's a fine distinction.

Orlanth fighting Aroka, or Vadrus fighting Enkoshons: True Dragon. Barntar fighting his dragon in the Daga Quest: a Great Dragon?

Now, is Thor more equivalent to Barntar, or more equivalent to Orlanth?

So, assuming the Midgard Serpent is draconic, it might be either True or powerful Great.

Note that I accept Marduk in his role as uncontested leader of his tribe of gods.

> The dragon in Revelations, who sweeps a third of the stars
> from heaven with a lash of his tail, would qualify;
> the dragon who fought St. George wouldn't.

While I agree with this assessment,I'm not sure whether the amount of destruction makes draconic greatness.

Hmm. The puppeteer illusions get destroyed if a True Dragon moves into their zone of control. Could a very powerful dream dragon be refuted by an extraordinary mystic? A True Dragon should not.

Not much of a litmus test, anyway.            

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