Re: Size of Glorantha

From: Greg Stafford <Greg_at_ROyxjdJlaRGXZa9YN7JOD5sP7w4gGXv3kRvqR17NZ5na5bDA67f5m105GVqjXjAxjhMh4vF>
Date: Sun, 07 Oct 2007 12:08:01 -0700


YGWV This keeps coming up. I am surprised at the errors that have apparently been made and reproduced over the years. I will set some information down and see if this can be clarified.  

I will be interested if anyone can trace where these errors come from, and show the erroneous lineage over the years.  

For the sizes that I have always worked from: start with the board game, and also the map on page 7 of the Genertela book.  

danhalberd wrote:

> For my game, and website (www.halberdgames.com <http://www.halberdgames.com>) I've been trying to
> write up more material on the Lunar Army. Once again I'm coming up
> against the problem of just how small the Lunar Empire is i.e not
> much bigger than France with a population of a bit more than 7
> million!

The breadth of the Lunar Empire is supposed to be approximately 1000 miles by 1000 miles.

> Sartar is absolutely tiny - it would fit into a couple of
> English counties.

Yes, Sartar is small, but not that small. If you use the oldest source---the board game---you will see that it measures approximately 100 mile wide by 125 miles long.

> Also it is a bit hard to work out what landforms in Glorantha
> are supposed to look like at this scale. For example the Quivin
> Mountains in Dragon Pass take up an area of about 15 miles by 15
> miles at present. In comparison in England the Lake District is about
> 40 miles by 40 miles.

The Quivin Peaks are about 20x25 miles.

> Are the Quivin Mountains much lower than the
> fells of the Lake District

Skafell Peak (the highest point in England) is 3,210 feet above sea level. The lowest parts of Sartar* are about 1,500 feet above sea level, the highest peaks of Quivin probably double that.*

**/I think./* I'll go and dig out my maps and see if I can find my "official" numbers.

>or are they just an awful lot steeper?

The areas on the Sartar map that are shown as mountains are always very steep, virtually impossible to travel through except through designated routes, and even those very difficult.

> On
> the map in Dragon Pass there are quite a few peaks (more than 10) and
> several seem to be snow capped. Is this just artistic licence because
> there doesn't seem to be enough room to fit substantial mountains in
> this kind of area. Is there a reason why everying in Glorantha has to
> be so small now?

Now? What source are you using for your scale?

> In the past (e.g. in 'A Rough Guide to Glamour') the
> Lunar Empire was a fair bit bigger. I notice that the scale of the
> Dragon Pass map has now been increased by 10%. Is there any chance
> the Lunar Empire will be rescaled or are we stuck with the current
> size?

Ah, this is from the Map of the Lunar Empire? Holy mackerel! I had no idea it was so far off.
It ought to be about 1000 miles wide, from the Esel to the Arcos rivers.

--GS

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