Re: Seven storms, fighting storms, seven wind (Orlanthi theology)

From: Douglas Seay <douglas-seay_at_wgIhbc7iYAcS-EAhg4DZYdnvR7ilQUYZaoG98s-XlS7nOt-RqHaeMIgGfVbLcj->
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:23:09 -0500


your world view of the Orlanthi is more unified than mine. I imagine that there are lots of variations on these themes. If your clan has ties to Vanganth the Flyer, he will end up as one of your four fighting storms. Likewise for Orvanshagor, Starkval, or almost any of the others. Mastakos and Niskis might be a bit harder to work in there, but I would never bet against it.

As for the seven storms, another perspective is to read

and note that "Seven Winds Practice" is the Core Practice of the Kolati.   Or is that Kolatings? And if your fear is Fimbulwinter, Kolati are not likely to be affected the same way the rest of the Storm Tribe are.

I don't know if this helps at all, but it might give you an idea or two.

Boris Yarko wrote:
> First, I would like to thank John and Donald for their responses (and
> the whitewall links). :)
> Second, unfortunately their replies have bred an another burst of
> questions and thoughts... ;)
> Donald wrote:

>> I'm not sure there is a definite answer - I suspect it depends on 
>> who in Glorantha you ask. 
>> On page 169 of TR two alternatives are listed :
>> The commonest one is Finovan, Helamakt, Hedkoranth and Enferalda.
>> While the Lightbringer's Varient is Humakt, Elmal, Ohorlanth, and 
>> Heler.

> The first list seems more suitable to fit with the problem of the
> death of Orlanth as Finovan, Helamakt, Hedkoranth and Enferalda are
> completely affected by the Fimbulwinter whereas Humakt, Elmal and
> Heler are not.
>> I think that Orlanth has seven storms: Daylanus, Hedkoranth, 
>> Helamakt, Ohorlanth, Vingkot, and Yavor all take the Storm affinity 
>> from Orlanth's Thunderous aspect, plus Vinga, whose Defender Storm 
>> subcult is the only ST subsult that has the Storm affinity other 
>> than Valind (see below). These are all "parts" or "children" of 
>> Orlanth. All of them are fighters.

> I like the coherence of this proposal. Furthermore, they are aspects
> of Orlanth which are affected by the Fimbulwinter.
> In this case Helamakt and Hedkoranth belong to both the Seven Storms
> and the Four Fighting Storms.
> 1)TR, p. 241 :"Once they filled the whole world, but the Lunars have
> forced them into tiny prisons. Six storms have fallen to the evil
> sorcery of the Lunar Empire, and they have trapped the seventh inside
> Whitewall."
> --> According to this, it seems that six of the seven storms should
> have been already imprisoned when the siege of Whitewall occurs. So
> the magic of six of these subcults should disappear before the Death
> of Orlanth.
> --> Why did it not happen ?
> 2) Which of the Seven Storms is the one "trapped inside Whitewall" ?
> --> Vinga ? (because of Kallyr Starbrow)
> --> Ohorlanth ? (because it is the "mother" of all storms)
> I like the principle of cardinal directions, but it's not so easy to
> associate each cardinal direction with a known wind :
> NORTH : Valind (with no doubt, the cold wind from the north)
> WEST : ??? (why Humakt ? the western origin of Arkat seems a tenuous
> reason to associate Humakt with west wind)
> EAST : Urox (with no doubt, Urox wind comes from the deserts lands of
> Prax)
> SOUTH : according to Thunder Rebels p. 122, Heler seems to fit, he is
> the south wind which brings clouds and rain from the Choralinthor Bay.
> --> I don't really see the link between Kolat and the south. (TR, p.
> 125 : "Kolat winds are erratic, and come out any direction in any
> season.")
> ZENITH / UPPER WIND : ??? (Orlanth because is the king of gods ?)
> NADIR / WIND FROM BELOW : ??? (Humakt because of his connections with
> the Underworld ?)
> And what is the seventh wind ? The MIDDLE WIND (Brastalos ?) ? or the
> INNER WIND ? the INNEXPECTED WIND (Kolat ? Eurmal ?) ?
> Cheers
> Boris

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