Re: Why is Kargzant a Spirit?

From: Greg Stafford <glorantha1_at_RzwWChX9oAmg6gj_PcYjj7XB6bXAq32dnclbx5YSMbESS8KiUFmZ_8mzIqV0GVl3D>
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:47:25 -0800


YGWV On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Richard Hayes <richard_hayes29_at_aQMiP5qED2VJ0-FrwmigVOK1qBnrett9q9dGMyJnWX5Hk4xrGGw_1kRBfx0TxX8Uli7CfPYWta6BWjQulo05MFONRY0.yahoo.invalid>wrote:

>
> I like the explanation in relation to Kargzant. But how does the same logic
> apply to Urox/the Storm Bull?
>
> Is there a 'god' Urox and a 'great spirit' Storm Bull, which are distinct
> and located in different realms,

Yes, to the outside world.Especially those who require things be neatly divided between the worlds.
Orlanthi know the truth, Praxians know.
In fact, no, they are two names for one entity.

> each of which reflect something fundamental about a particular kind of
> harsh wind/storm?
>

Yes, the scouring, destructive storm.

> Are both Urox and Storm Bull believed to be related to Orlanth?

Urox and Orlanth are brothers.
Storm Bull has a "little brother" that Orlanthi emulate in his worship services.

> (I remember it being said once before in this group that Eiritha is known,
> and acknowledged as related to Ernalda, but not worshipped in Sartar). If
> this is correct,

Eiritha is the mother of creatures that (mostly) do not live naturally in Sartar.

> doesn't this make it more likely that Urox and the Storm Bull are the same?
>
> If both are related to Orlanth, doesn't this reinforce the suggestion that
> Urox and Storm Bull are the same entity reached by different routes?
>

"Reached by different routes?"
Worshiped by different methods.

>
> Alternatively are the God World and the Spirit World not wholly separate--

Incorrect. There are no direct links between them except Glorantha. This is important to my plot of the Hero Wars. Player characters will have the chance to discover how to do the impossible, the Tavim Twist, and decide whether or not to submit to its consequences.

that if one were to draw the material world and the other worlds, it would
> look more like a Venn diagram rather than clean strata separating each of
> the other worlds? Is there a grey area where the two overlap, and where
> entities that seem to have a foot in both camps (like Urox/Storm Bull)
> reside?
>

So some say.
The world is made of everything.
One GL school made a pie graph of the world and divided it into percentiles, then overlaid it on the map of the world and said that those were valid regions of power. A whole "school" of magicians banked on this in their endeavors.
Saying so doesn't make it so.
I say, however, that in the places where it was so nicely discerned to be just bits of theist and sorcerous reality, or other nice divisions, are by their very definition outside of the Otherworlds, which are only themselves. When Kolat is in his cave in Orlanth land, he has to go Glorantha to get to his cave in the Spirit world.
The separation is absolute.

>
> Following on from the idea about the separateness of the other worlds,
> where do Essence worshippers go for their otherworld heroquests? Do they not
> do otherworld heroquests, or do they have to go onto alien and potentially
> hostile territory first?
>

Ordinary heroquests to one's own world is called worship. No one goes to their own Otherworld to get extraordinary powers or do extraordinary things. you can experience them there, but you can't gain them.
You have to go to the Hero Wars to get them. aka the Hero Plane(s)

This in in print somewhere, is it not?

-- 
Greg Stafford
Game Designer


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