Re: Ghelotralas

From: Kevin McDonald <kpmcdona_at_3fSd8RucS4tvPBP-I7-dG3WXyCZkhuxOXtUcVeI0zj0tdiPx0Qcq00p6ybdVt2xUDq3>
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:01:17 -0500


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_gWXkTZZ06wFlp8BrPpp-5Tal9CKbs81Up4JgEiWYmGviFymi0A58q1TXCYwK5ZiLkyXDY9hIjgX-S7uqYFtuq2M.yahoo.invalid> wrote: <snip>
>
> Ghe- appears to mean in the Sky as the deity beside him is Ghevengus
> where Veng is described elsewhere as the God of Avilry. So Ghelotralas
> means something like Lodril in the Sky or Star Lodril and is a name for
> Star-12 or the Pit.
>
> IMO the Pelandan equivalent is possibly Dabur, the son of ViSaruDaran
> who was filled with the Power of Above.

All this sounds plausible to me - good analysis! The bit that caused me to wonder about this is from the Entekosiad (p104) which says of Natha's Well that "We now know this is the actual place where the first Pole was rubbed. This is Glorantha's Quail. This is where Ghelotralas landed when he brought spirit to matter. Here earth was penetrated. From here, Idojartos sprang. On Ancestor Day, they flow from this place to all Pelanda."

So... This seems to mean that Natha's Well is where "Lodril in the Sky" came down to the earth as per the solar three brothers myth becoming Lodril, Earth god.

Of course Pelanda's early mythology is quite different from that of Dara Happa, so I am not sure what the Pelandan beliefs regarding Natha's Well and the Turos/Dabur cult(s) might be other than the above mention of Ancestor Day.

The "brought spirit to matter" comment seems to echo the male creation myth on Entekosiad page 14. "DaluAsuTersa did not grow. It was trapped by its principle and essence. However, KaCharal came along and saw the trouble which it had, and he worked it with his five limbs until it was freed into many forms. From DaluAsuTersa was made our world. This is where the mountains came from, and the plains, and all of the plants and animals. For this she was called MaraDiDala, or Mother of Earth."

In the female myth (page 4) The male power is VogMaradan who "yearned to be reaccepted [with MaElsor],and seized Kassa [Uleria] to be his gateway. She was glad to welcome and reunite the lost soul, and DerMaElsor was attained."

VogMaradan and KaCharal are very primal figures, though. More so than Lodril. Dabur is less primal than Lodril, being a son of ViSaruDaran (who I assume is another name for Turos, the Pelandan analog of Lodril) and BesedEria (Oria) and thus should come after the union of Earth and Fire. (My analysis assumes a linear sequence of events, admittedly).

-Kevin McD            

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