Re: Dreams vs Harsh Reality

From: Guy Hoyle <guy.hoyle_at_DcE_9Ws6khPNxV3nKRddR12ElkhV6y1qc2VN-xGESBB6MVnTRkCgiw8M2bLzAqHd_X>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2010 10:23:06 -0600


I agree. The few Mongoose Gloranthan products I have purchased have all been a chore to read through, and I'm predisposed to like them.

Guy (Hoyle)

On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Nick Eden <nick_at_jKqNYWpyYvW7EUwFo0p6R0hL0n2Alr2ikpPuFaNZ0iMlD7hOOYkyVTHPA4Jo5vZNWZTYv2axCgKlRORcwngrPWsd-Q.yahoo.invalid> wrote:

>
>
> OK, I get your point, but I think there's a vicious circle here. Talking to
> guys (including the RPG manager) in my FLGS there is a strong consensus
> that
> the MRQ books are so poorly designed that reading them is a struggle.
> Customers come in, flick through a book on display and put them back on the
> shelves.
>
> Good art does indeed cost lots of money, a good sense of graphic design
> surely costs less, and if that's damaging sales (which anecdotally it is)
> then it's worth investing in.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Sean Foster <ebaninth_at_eLZ8na_D7G7cydNV7fiCtnOtK4pELfzj5kCsSmT_899jvr9IeuJ7_kX7oO0Y0Bh-xTfLif48BPplOGXrpMUrcA.yahoo.invalid<ebaninth%40iinet.net.au>>
> wrote:
>
> > To be fair to Mr Sprange. Mongoose is in business to make money. People
> > seem to always forget what that means. If MRQ I/II does, quality will get
> > better and better, but at the moment product has to get out the door as
> > fast
> > and cheaply as possible...and sell. In business you need to listen to
> > criticism, it should be taken as feedback. If your business plan does not
> > allow you to address the criticism, fine, but at least you looked at it
> > subjectively and made an unemotional decision. My guess is if MRQ got
> more
> > sales it would get better art - cf Mong Traveller covers.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've managed to get 5,500 pages out of the Mong and upwards of 3,500
> pages
> > from Herowars/quest - this is all good and definitely better than 0
> pages.
> >
> >
> >
> > We are all VERY Passionate about Glorantha. We need to encourage all
> > publishers of it, whether they be Magrathean's or small furry mammals
> from
> > the Indian subcontinent (that we occasionally pick up on not following
> > canon
> > to 11 decimal places).
> >
> >
> >
> > Dreamily, I wish Paizo would get on board and produce some 2nd Age
> Product,
> > their production values are excellent and it would be good from a quality
> > product to test the market - and that's passionate me floating off from
> > reality (but maybe Mong has made the correct _business_ decision from
> there
> > perspective).
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, bring on:
> >
> > Moon Design Pavis/Big Rubble
> >
> > Moon Design Whitewall
> >
> > Mongoose The Abiding Book
> >
> > d101 The Book of Glorious Joy
> >
> >
> >
> > If somebody wants to be Anti-glorantha, don't flame them, sell him good
> > adventures and a starting point in his/her exploration of Glorantha.
> > S:KoH,
> > Borderlands on pdf or Blood of Orlanth anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sean
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com<WorldofGlorantha%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com<WorldofGlorantha%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Nick Eden
> > Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2010 9:44 PM
> > To: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com<WorldofGlorantha%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Anti-Glorantha rant on Mongoose forums
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well he's right about the art and design weaknesses of MRQ, but I don't
> > quite see what that's got to do with Glorantha. I was reading Loz's
> > otherwise excellent Pavis book last night and reflecting on quite how
> > desparately they needed someone like Simon Bray
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Continuum <Continuum2008_at_vi7EfMD1gVHpzoFOmjpsVy9YuOPbqHti3_oqQdZ630CGKProW05SXn01UxqYevIbPMgR4QbIRR7vQeffRWLbPJjnukJ3lQ.yahoo.invalid<Continuum2008%40googlemail.com>
> > <mailto:Continuum2008%40googlemail.com<Continuum2008%2540googlemail.com><Continuum2008%
> 2540googlemail.com>>
>
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > > There is an Anti-Glorantha rant on Mongoose forums that could do with
> > some
> > > additional support on the pro-Glorantha side. ;)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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