Re: Casinotown

From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_vDc_pVtPoiNqECCgIrdBYMUKFUR1XZSCx61IvPn0C1WmjrlPTiJ5AW9IursPLrZNBlh>
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:57:09 +1200


On 8/14/2011 4:32 AM, jorganos wrote:
> Refuge might be a special case since there seems to be a "Brithini" city government despite the change of overlords.

There is no "seems".

Genertela Book describes it as a city in God Forgot and a Brithini Outpost.

History of the Heortling Peoples has the following things to say:

  "[The Aeolian] city of Refuge grew and attracted settlers." p82 "[King Aventevus] died trying to assault Refuge in Esvular" p92 "[King Silkinister] used the [Thunderball Dak] to destroy the walls of Refuge in Esvular" p92.

I don't see how Refuge can be an Aeolian city with Brithini overlords simply because I don't see why the Aeolians would tolerate having Brithini overlords in their largest city.

> There is no official material about Refuge, but the city bears a lot of resemblance to the city in the Thieves World pack published by Chaosium.

What resemblance?

>> I suspect that before Steelfall, the old rulers would have resided in Zistorela.
> If the old rulers were the Ingareens, why should they have moved just because they accepted a new overlord?

Who said anything about moving? The old Zistorite rulers were either killed in battle or butchered (f you object that the Hendriki would not have massacred their prisoners; their inhuman allies would have no such compunctions). The new rulers of the modern age are the leaders of Tosk Island who collaborated with the New Unity Army and later the Esvulari.

> The way I see this, the quasi-Brithini magically remained the lords of God Forgot, and only the extent of the border was under dispute at this time. The Esvulari remained second class citizens under either regime until Belintar gave them the freedom to act for themselves.

Except that the Hendriki sources when speaking about problems from the south, always talk of Esvular and not God Forgot. The Esvulari aren't described in terms of being second class citizens either when they are causing trouble either.

> All of this time, including the Adjusted Lands episode, these kings operated under Ezkankekko as overlord over the Shadowlands. It doesn't look like one could not accept two or three different authorities at the same time - which is what I think the Esvulari did.

I don't see any indication that the Hendriki were taking orders from Ezkankekko. He's notoriously absent when the Hendriki are invading Esrolia and the Hendriki kings made peace agreements with the EWF without even so much as a courtesy call to the Only Old One. When Velhendrik deals with Ezkankekko, it's only to renew the alliance and agreements but he still has problems with the Esrolians. A similar story occurs with Finelvanth.

--Peter Metcalfe            

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