One of the insights available to illuminates concerns the nature of chaos. Illumination doesn't define chaos though.
> Perhaps trolls can be illuminated regardless of whether it is possible or
> not, because Chaos does not respect our delicate sensibilities concerning
> what should and should not be possible.
I thought you were against conflating illumination with chaos.
> In that case, the better question might be how EASY it for trolls to become
> illuminated? Because that is a measure of well trolls can maintain their
> sense of order in the universe. ...
Being easily illuminated is a sign of a good sense of order?
Simon Hibbs
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> I'm really a Gloranthan novice, so pardon my comments if they don't
> contribute to the discussion.
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> And I am spinning off of Simon Hibb's recent post.
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> Doesn't it seem that we risk trying to define Chaos through the medium of
> Illumination? And that Chaos stubbornly resists that? Like a virus, it
> infects anywhere it can get a foothold, be that Light, Darkness, or even
> Troll.
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> We can argue that the Underworld is a place of stasis, but does Chaos
> actually care? I realize "caring" is an odd word to use in this context..
> but just to define the Underworld and apply properties to it is to lend
> structure or order to it. Chaos has no regard any division, definition, or
> structure.
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> We tend to fall back into this line of thinking almost automatically.
> Kenrae points out that Chaos predated the Underworld. But really..? So what
> if it didn't? Does Chaos obey linear time except when forced?
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> Does Chaos follow any rules or conventional thinking- except when it is
> forced to do so?
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> Perhaps trolls can be illuminated regardless of whether it is possible or
> not, because Chaos does not respect our delicate sensibilities concerning
> what should and should not be possible. I don't mean that to be a cop-out
> or easy answer, but rather a comment on the insidiousness of Chaos.
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> In that case, the better question might be how EASY it for trolls to become
> illuminated? Because that is a measure of well trolls can maintain their
> sense of order in the universe. If we can't accurately measure the Power of
> Chaos, perhaps we can measure the powers/forces/beings that resist it.
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> Just my rambling thoughts......
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> Jim
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