I know what you are talking about, but I am not sure if this is it - as the discussion revealed, the relationship of illumination and mystical liberation is not necessarily that clear cut. Certainly, though, it grants you an awareness of the world's indivisibility - crucially extending it to Chaos.
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> To: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com
> From: daniel.mccluskey_at_...
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 20:15:59 +0000
> Subject: Re: Troll illumination
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> --- In WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com, "Jim G." <cainesinmyhead@> wrote:
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> Darkness is also highly resistant to chaos, in part because if it wan't, it would have been re-absorbed by the Void before any of the "higher" elements even came into existence. In wonderhome, chaos was kept at a safe distance by Death and Disorder, and wasn't a problem for Uz. It was only when Death was stolen and misused that the walls of the world cracked, and the Void started leaking back in.
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> But, most importantly, Welcome! This list can be awfully intimidating to newcomers, but it is awful nice to see a new face every now and then )
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