On 07/05/2012, at 9:20 PM, David Scott wrote:
> On 7 May 2012, at 13:32, Nick Eden wrote:
>> Not entirely convinced both that Peter. I would think the conversation must >> involve a trip to the Gods Plane, since that's what major rituals do, and >> so it is effectively a HeroQuest, even if it's a very well defined one.
I think it is a significant ritual - yes, we've seen examples in print, but in those cases it is a big deal, on the level of an initiation, which absolutely does involve a trip to the Gods world. And it should be a major life event - it changes your entire personality.
>> It's also important to remember that the evangelical Lunars are very >> unusual. Their whole system is built on heroquests, so even if the >> individual does not themself tread a hero path, that'll only because others >> have quested so often and hard that it becomes ' normal'.
No, the writeup in Pavis makes it clear that it is a life-changing event, and equivalent to an initiation ceremony. Read SKOH, pg 78-80 - evan a lay member or adulthood initiation is a very serious business, involving a trip to the God world. A full Initiate level ceremony (which a Lunar kindling is) is even more of a big deal.
> You don't need a quest, a simple ceremony will suffice. If you read a lunar grimoire, it may happen against your will!
I don't think that is the case at all. Studying a grimoire takes years. And I think a Lunar grimoire mostly comes across as mystic nonsense to those not kindled - why would you study a book of nonsense for years? Cheers David
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