I reread your answer Roderick, but I dont understand this!
Rusty
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From: "Roderick and Ellen Robertson" <rjremr_at_...>
To: <hw-rules_at_yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 2:14 AM
Subject: Re: Masters in Extended Contest
> > If Oskul is 5w and Urgrain is 6w, they roll as if their target
> > numbers are 5 and 6. If Oskul rolls 10 and Urgrain rolls 11, Oskul
> > has the low roll and wins the exchange, thanks to the Special Case
> > rule on p.121. Urgrain forfeits the stake, Oskul loses nothing. But
> > what if Oskul rolls 10 and Urgrain rolls 20? The table on p.131
> > implies that Oskul forfeits the stake, while Urgrain forfeits twice
> > the stake.
> >
> > Some argue for a reading by the table. Only the Lose/Lose case has a
> > Mastery special case. Others argue that both have failed, so it's
> > treated as if both had succeeded (which would mean Oskul forfeits
> > nothing, and Urgrain forfeits 3x).
> >
> > Hopefully this can be clarified in the forthcoming edition.
>
> A Fumble isn't a simple "Failure plus a little more bad", it is an order
of
> magnitude worse than a mere Failure. So it is not considered a "Failure"
for
> the purpose of the Mastery Special rule. The result is a Fail/Fumble, not
a
> Fail/Fail, and as you note, only Fail/Fail has the Mastery special rule.
> This *is* intentional. Even the best can still make mistakes (or have
> mistakes forced on them, or have their mistakes siezed upon) by an equal
in
> skill. That's the whole reason for the Mastery Cancellation rule.
>
> So the result of your question is: Oskul -1x Bid, Urgrain -2x Bid.
>
> Had both Oskul and Urgrain rolled "20", it would be treated as a
> Fumble/Fumble, not as a Fail/Fail bumped by the Mastery Special to
> Success/Success.
>
> RR
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