Matthew Cole wrote:
>
> excuse me but to defend Ian:
>
> <no offence><rant>
> He was just paraphrasing The Mask "from zero to hero in nothing flat" I'm
> convinced that he wasn't saying that heroes that have no chance of victory
> in any given conflict are objectively 'zeroes'. ffs - it just rhymes
> and is
> a bit catchy. taking it literally is not really very helpful. what Ian was
> referring to was deprotagonisation
>
> </rant>
> </nooffence>
>
> heroes in narrative games are by their nature not zeroes? totally
>
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> From: HeroQuest-rules_at_yahoogroups.com
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> <mailto:HeroQuest-rules%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Tim Ellis
> Sent: 04 March 2009 13:02
> To: HeroQuest-rules_at_yahoogroups.com
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> Subject: Re: How do you compare published abilities
> without numbers?
>
> --- In HeroQuest-rules_at_ <mailto:HeroQuest-rules%40yahoogroups.com>
> yahoogroups.com, L C <lightcastle_at_...> wrote:
> >
> > Tim Ellis wrote:
> > >Yes. But the fact that they shouldn't roll against him doen't make
> > >them zeros because they can't hope to beat him.
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand this. Are we assuming if a fight is a sure
> > loss, it means you are a zero? (And also, there are all kinds of
> > other ways to interact with Harrek than fighting him, I would hope.)
> >
>
> I was countering Ian's assertion:-
> > One mistake I made when Red Cow was to have people in the story who
> > the players could not hope to win contests with. That makes pcs into
> > zeroes not heroes.
>
> The mere fact that these characters *exist* does not make them zeros. The
> pc's can realise that going toe-to-toe with Harrek, or Jousting with
> Lancelot is doomed to failure, so change the nature of the contest.
>
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