From: Peter Metcalfe metcalph_at_o5aDt-rcWuzHNoRTBZliQcC910cM3GWCVbAn-_jrJkDRNofF68w_P0tbrpGMC0l0BzGezmP4uqndiDebp7irwU86_IE.yahoo.invalid
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Finally I note that MoLad p53 has earth overcome air and fire being overcome by water.
--Peter Metcalfe
How many myths do we have in which 'Fire' is overcome by 'Water'?
Aren't there many better known myths in which Fire is overcome by Storm (Orlanth and Yelm), or Fire is overcoime by Darkness (Argan Argar defeating Lodril; Zorak Zoran mugging Yelmalio). Waha taming Oakfed is also unlikely to involve Water, as Waha is closer to Earth or Storm (from one or other parent).
Since Time began, the Godlearners victory over the Waertagi also seems to be the opposite-- they found a way to use Fire to overcome Water (by inventing something like Greek Fire?)
Viewed from the other perspective, I can even think of one myth in which Hibour (a minor Wenelian water god associated with floods) outwits Orlanth-- it is written up in Tradetalk.
As for myths in which Water overcomes Fire, Heler overcoming Daga might count. Daga is not an obvious Fire god as such, but he is descended from Yelm (and Molanni).
It probably stretches the point too far to say that one can count the story of Orlanth slaying Aroka (or Vadrus slaying a creature like Aroka before he became a non-person?), to release Heler? Heler is largely a passive party in this, and the dragon itself is as closely connected to Water as it is to Fire. (Personally I see many echoes of the Kievan Rus myth of Perun battling a water-dragon in this tale, so I think of it more as Storm overcoming Water, but that might just be MGWV)
Castting around for when and where Water might once have overcome Fire, are there any good myths about Magasta (still probably the premier water god), defeating elemental powers of Fire?
Richard Hayes
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