>But I fear that you have fallen into a trap of presuming that
>Ulanin rode a horse. There is a Hsunchen Bee Clan in the
>Quivin mountains
Actually a wasp tribe, and dire foe of the bee trolls of Dagori Inkarth. However, there is no record of pygmy Orlanthi at any time.
>and Prax is just across the border.
But, as you said in a private message, not inhabited by beast riders yet.
>Furthermore Goats, Sheep and Bulls can be ridden.
I picture cattle in Glorantha mainly as the small version of the Galloway cattle, i.e. little bigger than a modern day Merino sheep. Unless they were riding aurochses, any of these beasts could pass between the legs of an Orlanthi standing on even ground. Except for cattle, he wouldn't even have to lift his kilt.
>And what is 'this sharing of the mounts' business?
Something the Hyalorings evidently did, since the Orlanthi ended up in possession of horses. (Though they used them for chariots, more likely than for cavalry. Must have been before the invention of the stirrup.)
>>I admit that I am a fan of migration theories in the origin of peoples, but
>>to me the migration pattern of the Hyalorings is clear - out of Sacred Prax
>>into Vingkotling lands, and on into the Pelorian lowlands.
>Why do you think the Hyalorings are from Prax? They do not raise
>cattle which is common to other main tribes but prefer to live of
>the flesh of their own horses (as well as hunting). They don't
>raid other peoples herds for cattle.
They were excluded from the Praxian (post-Waha) cycle of life, for some reason unknown to me. Hunters may use Peaceful Cut, and hunting and cattle raids aren't that different in nature.
>They have a highly stratified social structure which is not found in Prax.
They apparently can afford it. Praxians have the stages of youth, warrior, elder as well, with chief as option.
>They venerate the Sun and Horses and not Eiritha.
They venerate Horse-Eiritha by another name.
>[Vingkotlings]
>Me>>Now all I have to do is find out where the Cannibals and the Archers
>>>are...
>>Cannibals: go north-west, to YarGan.
>No. For starters, there are no Vingkotlings in Pelanda where
>YarGan ruled. Secondly Porscriptor the Cannibal 'married'
>Infithe. The Infithtelli lived in Aggar according to the
>Broken Council Guidebook. So if you're visiting Aggar and want
>to insult them, say 'please don't eat me'.
<g> You're right. But there are other cannibal customs in "Orlanthi" societies, like the 47 guardians of the Shaker Priestess, or king Brangbane of the Dinacoli (which tribe happens to have immigrated from south Peloria).
>>Archers: go south, to the Jorganostelli of Dragon Pass. Jorganos is the
>>Orlanthi hero of archery.
>Actually he's a son of Vingkot and a Twin of Infithe (I was thinking
>that he married into the Vingkotlings). Suprisingly he is *not*
>recorded among the tribes of the Heortlings.
You're quoting an incomplete source, it seems. I have seen a longer version which has tribes attached to all children of Vingkot except the Second Son.
>However there are
>several new tribes of Heortlings and so from the location, the Tribe
>could have changed its name to the either the Gansavuli or the
>Orgovaltes.
Not so. The Jorganostelli are a Winter Tribe (Pelorian, Solar), the Ogorvaltes are a Summer Tribe (Manirian, Storm).
The Gansavuli lived south of the Ogorvaltes, southern Heortland and almost God Forgot, on that map I mentioned.
>Indigenous (like Virimakradda, Hazkartem and Kerunebbe). Why would
>a foreign ruler want to adopt the speech of his slaves?
How can a scribe correctly spell a foreign ruler's name? Think Confucius for Kung Fu Tse (in itself a transcript, too).
>Me>>Furthermore, the Saird Hyalorings effectively disappear after
>>>110 ST as a result of their expulsion from Saird and the
>>>subsequent extermination by Huradabba.
>>The vast grasslands of Pent (and the Redlands), and a renewed enmity with
>>the Praxians across the Snowline?
>I strongly doubt it. They would have to migrate through the
>Kestinlands to reach the Grasslands.
You underestimate the size of the Redlands. They reach almost as far south as the Elf Sea, and go right to the foothills of the Troll Hills in the Elder Wilds.
>Also one would have to
>wonder why the Kestineddi haven't colonized Pent if it was
>completely empty.
I said there were more, and different horsepeople there. Similar enough when catastrophe hit.
>Ergo, I believe that the
>Pentans were in Pent since before the Great Darkness
Agreed.
>and that the Hyalorings came from there.
Not convinced.
>Considering that the Praxians didn't migrate to the area south
>of Pent until Arinstoli's time (ie during the second age),
That is after the Chaos Wars. Before, they roamed Genert's Garden, which ended in the Brown Elf forests northwest of the Troll Hills.
>I doubt that their hatred of the Pentans dates to before the
>Darkness. Rather it is a hatred incurred by the Pure Horse
>Tribe booting the Praxians out of Prax.
Then why were the Praxians so eager to fight their ancient enemies at Argentium Thri'ile?
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