Illumination and Chaos.

From: Alex Ferguson <abf_at_interzone.ucc.ie>
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 02:15:15 +0100 (BST)


TTrotsky sez:
> So, no to Illuminated GLs, but yes to Illuminated non-GL Malkioni,
> would be my take on the matter.

I can't really see it that way, myself. Illumination could certainly be the thin end of the wedge for henotheistic and other heretical notions for a "pious" Malkioni, and other minor consequences of having your whole world view shattered. One might start to doubt the existent of the Invisible God, frex, or believe you've actually personally contacted him (generally a fast track to either sainthood or heresy, or very likely both). The more irreligious, or "cynically religious" elements of the GLers might have less problems in such respects, not more.

I think that broadly, Illumination could be (potentially disasterously) disturbing to anyone of any mind-set, religion, or philosophy, but could also at least theoretically be reconciled with any of them. The only likely exceptions would seem to be other, different "mystical states", such as Enlightenment (insohoweverfaras that is different), EWF-ish draconic consciousness, or Arkatism. In that last case, we know that from their common origins, it must be not so very dissimilar to (Pelorian-style) Illumination, but as it's by its very conception opposed to the other, it's hard to imagine them being compatible.

[Chaos as a universal constant]
> I could well be wrong here, but I didn't think the Pelorians deny the
> existence of Chaos, they just don't think it's necesserily a Bad Thing. I
> thought that at least some forms of Gloranthan Chaos were pretty objective
> phenomena. Please correct me if I'm taking cobblers...

Well, if they don't agree what it is, and they don't agree what the correct attitude to it is, what's "universal" about the concept? Obviously the average Pelorian thinks of the stereotypical "chaos horror" as a Bad Thing, whatever he actually calls it. They also think of man-eating trolls and other nasties as Bad Things, with little real distinction. Conversely, things that would be seen as Chaotic by a Sartarite, such as a Riddler, or the Goddess herself, certainly wouldn't be. An Illuminant would realise even the sort of distinction native to her own culture was Bogus.

I believe it was in Greg's RQ Con II speech that he said that what the Lunars see as the "third world", that is, the mystical realm, is what the Sartarites would regard simply as capital-C Chaos. That's quite a difference in perspective...

In the Rump,
Alex.


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