Re: The Glorantha Digest V6 #416
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> The Glorantha Digest Saturday, January 30 1999 Volume 06 : Number 416
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> TABLE OF CONTENTS
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> Alex Ferguson Re: bird's eye view
> Alex Ferguson Re: Monogamy?
> Alex Ferguson Re: Announcement: Glorantha Trading Associati
> David Dunham Re: maps; GTA
> Jose Ramos Aggressive lovers
> Tim Ellis Re: The Glorantha Digest V6 #413
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> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:56:55 GMT
> From: Alex Ferguson <abf_at_yeats.ucc.ie>
> Subject: Re: bird's eye view
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> Steve Lieb says, in defence of "too good" maps:
> > Of course, it may have to do with the fact that not many bronze age =
> folks
> > had the ability to fly, either. ;)
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> Not _that_ many people in Glorantha have that ability, either, and I
> don't think one can fly arbitrarily high, either. Indeed, surely
> the best flyers are the Orlanthi, and on the evidence of the samples
> that started this thread, they have about the worst maps?
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> > In Glorantha, any large scale merchant, ruler, or scholarly =
> institution
> > worth its salt would have a basically perfect map of at least their =
> area,
> > if not the world.
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> I think this assumption is Boring and Uncool, for reasons similar to
> the objections raised to the idea of perfect, multiple-compass
> navigation. Glorantha with Lozengal Positioning Satellites (dwarf
> ones aside) is getting too far away from the idea of "ancient world
> as it really _should_ have been" and into "cod fantasy".
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> Sl=E1n,
> Alex.
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> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 19:54:00 GMT
> From: Alex Ferguson <abf_at_yeats.ucc.ie>
> Subject: Re: Monogamy?
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> David Weihe:
> > Jane Williams writes:
> > > As we all know, when two Orlanthi are married, they would never
> > > dream of sleeping with other people, right?
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> > Actually, we know quite the opposite.
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> Aside from Jane's fairly evident irony, there seems little basis for
> making any sort of firm, pan-Gloranthan conclusion either way. I
> will, however note that at least one known form of Orlanthi
> marriage _is_ known to include (indeed, is basically simply) a vow
> of monogamy. (Clintonesque dissembling about the meanings of
> "monogamy" skipped.) Anyone planning on getting married in an
> Orlanthi ritual, I'd advise paying _close_ attention to the wording
> of the liturgy, and the oath you speak, to work out exactly you're
> signing up to...
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> > many if not most Orlanthi marriages are term, not whole-life, anyway.
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> This is true for many _ritual_ marriages, at least. And there's
> divorce, of course. I don't know that fixed-term "civil" marriages
> are common, though.
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> > One of these days I am going to HAVE to write up that monograph "Coming
> > of Age Among the Kitori" to nail down just how unstandard Kitori sex
> > lives are (think interspecies infertility, oriface size differentials,
> > and smaller thus more deft fingers and tongues).
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> I don't think the Kitori are into inter-species sex, no matter what
> the Night Jumpers and their (many) other detractors might have told
> you. Excellent fodder for "Tales heard down the Uleria temple", though.
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> > Anyway, Thomas's beliefs of Orlanthi chastity probably ARE valid among
> > Aeolian Orlanthi, even if nonsense among, say, semi-stone age Brolians
> > (who are still Orlanthi, at least by courtesy), or the East Ralians.
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> I agree with this general sentiment. Not sure I'd want to characterise
> the different "types" of Orlanthi this broadly, and I'm not at all
> sure I agree about the East Wilds guys, but you can bet, if not the
> farm, then your Traditional Grazing Rights to it, that different
> kingdoms, different tribes, and even indeed different clans have
> conspicuously varied social attitudes to this sort of thing. And
> indeed, it would be a pretty pass if there weren't room for different
> _individual_ attitudes.
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> Slainte,
> Alex.
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> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 21:59:39 GMT
> From: Alex Ferguson <abf_at_yeats.ucc.ie>
> Subject: Re: Announcement: Glorantha Trading Association
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> David Dunham forwards the Words of Greg:
> > After less than 24 hours, we've already received pledges from three Heroes
> > and seven Initiates.
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> Yes, I felt that RuneMaster Membership was extremely sub-optimal, too!
> It seems that ten paying customers agree with me... ;-) OK, not a
> vital point as long as people keep paying in, in _some_ capacity, but
> another incentive or two (like an on-going benefit in books, of some
> sort -- I believe one per year was mooted at one point, for example)
> might encourage the odd initiate to Convince the Examiners. Early
> days, I know.
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> On a less picky, and more encouraging note, that's a very nice
> development to hear of. That's what, > $5k, and presumably enough to
> just about pay for publishing about the first book? (Judging from what
> Greg said last time he was fielding complaints about the Pendragon
> line... (Or lack thereof))
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> Slainte,
> Alex.
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> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 14:36:00 -0800
> From: David Dunham <dunham_at_pensee.com>
> Subject: Re: maps; GTA
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> Ashley Munday's wife has a good memory:
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> > David Dunham said: "While on the subject of maps, Greg Stafford has asked me
> > to be Map Coordinator"
> >
> > My wife saw this Digest this morning and said (I paraphrase with expletives
> > deleted) "Didn't he advocate some sort of nodey thing for maps? We're all
> > doomed!"
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> And I still do. But while a digraph of a city is a usable and practical
> play aid, it's no substitute for a good map of the countryside.
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> Just because I can draw as well as Dave Dobyski doesn't mean I will be
> doing the maps for future Hero Wars products!
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> Alex Ferguson wrote:
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> > That's what, > $5k, and presumably enough to
> > just about pay for publishing about the first book?
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> My understanding of the plan is that there will no books published until
> it's possible to do five of them -- there's no point in coming out with a
> cool RPG and then not having any support or marketing. (The planned five
> will be Hero Wars, player's books for Lunars and Orlanthi, a Sartar guide,
> and a guide to Glorantha.)
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> BTW, the design is not yet final, but it looks like the Charter Member
> t-shirt will feature artwork from the "King of Dragon Pass" computer game.
> (By Damon Brown, not me.)
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> David Dunham <mailto:dunham_at_pensee.com>
> Glorantha/RQ page: <http://www.pensee.com/dunham/glorantha.html>
> Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein
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> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 04:02:40 +0100
> From: Jose Ramos <jose_at_kobo.es>
> Subject: Aggressive lovers
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> Jane cited:
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> >KoS p174:
> >"...King Vurgunzon incited all of his wife's lovers to attack the Kurtali
> >clan at once."
> >Now admittedly this is the Kitori, who are anything but standard
> >Orlanthi. But it does make one think.
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> Well, the Kitori are ruled IMHO by a troll queen and a human king, ritually
> married (but seldom fertile) and what they do outside the yearly unity rites
> is their own. The above fragment is just a way to say that the cowardly
> human kitori used their troll allies to attack the Kurtali.
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> Also, the male trolls who manage to be chosen as Queen lover's will be the
> toughest of the gang, and at the same time expendable.
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> Now, the sexual advantages and problems among trolls and humans, I will
> leave for the sick imagination of other listers.
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> Jose
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> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 1999 14:32:23 +0000
> From: Tim Ellis <tim_at_timellis.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: The Glorantha Digest V6 #413
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> In The Glorantha Digest V6 #413, Simon Hibbs writes
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> >There were, of course, also many realy crap maps around too.
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> More maps like Joh Mith's maps in Griffin Mountain, then (or even the
> "verbal" maps from the same product).
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> Lots of "bad", "inaccurate" or just plain fanciful maps are fine for
> giving to the players (I am sure Treasure Trove Hurbi will be along to
> sell you one in a minute...), providing the GM has a reasonably clear
> (and mostly consistent) idea of what is where...
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> To steal shamelessly...
> Dormal: - Right, I'm off to sail the high seas, previously thought
> impossible due to the closing
> Belintar: - The high priests of Lankhor Mhy have sent you this map of
> the lands you will be visiting...
> Dormal:- Thank you
> Belintar: - ...Which they would like you to fill in for them.
> - --
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> | What is the use of a book without pictures or conversations? |
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