PENTAN QUESTION&SOME KRALORI IDEA

From: METATRON <inarsus-ferilt-z_at_mrg.biglobe.ne.jp>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:01:40 +0900


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near acquaintance and far cool wizardland:

A:PENTAN QUESTION
1/In GRoY, planet Kargzant was first only planet (son of Yelm), later, came to rivalry with Antirius (Dara Happan weaken Sun, later reascented as Yelm) in Grey age, and chained by Lightfore(star Youth). What is the Pentan view of this ancient event?

2/In Crucible of Herowars, popularity of Storm religion after Night of Horror increase in Pent. What is the situation of these tribe with Elder Kargzant?(Black Eater in morokanth?)

B:SOME KRALORI IDEA
This idea hit on my head after reading "chaotic interlude"(lords of terror p35)
(I views illumination idea like Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism, working as introducer animism into "highly sophisticated" culture.) If definition of Trickster is "the Part of Power always do good conduct without intention("Faust" of Goethe), do the kind of navaho Coyote, Odin's Brother-in-law and/or Joukahainen who shoots Voinamoinen come under this case? They mischief their tribe, and so while they are disdained, do conduct which kings and heroes unable to do.
But there are many cases their mischief merely bring about ruin, fear and war.
In Chinese Orthodox Mythologies and Legends collected by Sima Qian and so on writers, Yelmic "God-Child" resolve all problems after all. It is WOMEN that make good emperors corruption being fitted to their male-chauvinism culture.
However, what is good conduct which trickster made? According to "Fenshenyanyi" (In literal translation, Story of Sealing Deva) well-known by Chinese commoner, they are women metamorphosed of animals with magical power, dispatched by Heaven  for founding new dynasties to change stagnant world. Contrapositing Orthodoxy mythological standpoint of theory of based on the  divine right of empire and ancestor worship in both China and Japan, the realm
of enchanters (Risi of Indian Mythos, Xianrens) existed whose residents gain magical
 power with method of abandoning sociality and annihilation of self-ego (Illumination).
(But the contradiction between teaching of self-annihilation and existing of legendary classical hierarchy of Risi and Deva is intentionally ignored.) And under the doctrine of "illuminated" Risi, most primitive animism is approved by their "high" culture. Animals and plants and, on the top of that, mineral Xianrens become human-form in dancing and playing. So to speak, all of them, Xianrens are outsiders and behave as tricksters against
those who cannot abandon their social life. On that sense, Xunwukong (monkey king) appeared on "Xiyouji" (I forget appropriate French? title version of Westfaring for Buddism scriptures) who makes rebellion against Celestial Emperor simply act as natural to his situation.
(But, Xunwukong serving to Tutor Sancang is faithful as Hanuman serving to Prince Rama.)
And it might be difficult to imagine that immortals who cannot understand being a human appear except as "chaos" or "trickster". In Chinese Myth, Villains are usually non-human sorcerers. In varieties of this kind,

    bull monsters fought ancient sacred kings are notorious, too. But most well-known
 is the tale of fascinating witch-fox with nine tails. In this notorious legend, this animal-witch highly amalgamated by mythos and legends was good at transforming into beautiful woman, and always fascinated
then emperors to corrupt into lewdness and tyranny by her beauty and witchery.
According to Chinese commoner’s legend, for the king being enchanted by  her, the ancient Shang dynasty perished. In Japanese legend, moreover, the cause of the downfall of elder Xia dynasty of China and Magada kingdom of India is this fox.
 Chinese version of this folktale, Fenshenyanyi, at last, the hero (the marshal of new dynasty) executed the witch-fox dispatched by Heaven Hauri.
But in the Japanese version, the fox with nine tails came over Japan, and came to be then emperor’s concubine. After that, hunted down by the Wizards of the Court and famous Samurais, the fox was confined under the "setshouseki" (in literally translation, the Rock of Homicide) at the Prefecture of Tochigi.
I think to be able to call this Legend of the Fox the largest story-theme treating difficulty of understanding evil.

sorry for too long letter

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>These are two mails reprinted to =
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wizardland:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A:PENTAN QUESTION</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>1/In GRo=1B$B#Y=1B(B, planet =
Kargzant was first only planet=20
(son of Yelm), later, came<BR>to rivalry with Antirius (Dara Happan = weaken Sun,=20
later reascented as Yelm)<BR>in =1B$B#G#r=1B(Be=1B$B#y=1B(B age, and = chained by Lightfore(star Youth).=20
=1B$B#W#h#a#t=1B(B is the Pentan<BR>view of this ancient = event?<BR><BR>2/In Crucible of=20
Herowars,&nbsp; popularity of Storm religion after Night of<BR>Horror = increase=20
in Pent. What is the situation of these tribe with = Elder<BR>Kargzant?(Black=20
=1B$B#E#a#t#e#r=1B(B in morokanth?)<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>B:SOME KRALORI IDEA</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 =
size=3D2>This idea hit=20
on my head after reading &quot;chaotic interlude&quot;(lords of terror = p35)=20
<BR></FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>(I views illumination idea =
like Hinduism,=20
Taoism, Buddhism, working </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>as introducer animism into =
&quot;highly=20
sophisticated&quot; culture.) <BR>If definition of Trickster is = &quot;the Part=20
of Power always do good conduct </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>without intention(&quot;Faust&quot; =
of Goethe),=20
do the kind of navaho Coyote</FONT><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>, =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Odin's Brother-in-law and/or =
Joukahainen who=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>shoots Voinamoinen come under this =
case?<BR>They=20
mischief their tribe, and so while they are disdained, do conduct=20
</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>which kings and heroes unable to =
do.&nbsp;=20
<BR>But there are many cases their mischief merely bring about ruin, =
fear and=20
war. <BR>In Chinese Orthodox Mythologies and Legends collected by Sima = Qian=20
</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>and so on writers, Yelmic =
&quot;God-Child&quot;=20
resolve all problems after all.<BR>It is WOMEN that make good emperors=20 corruption being fitted to </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>their male-chauvinism =
culture.<BR>However, what=20
is good conduct which trickster made?<BR>According to = &quot;Fenshenyanyi&quot;=20
(In literal translation, </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Story of Sealing Deva) well-known by =
Chinese=20
commoner, they are </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>women metamorphosed of animals with =
magical=20
power, dispatched by Heaven</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;for founding new dynasties to =
change=20
stagnant world.&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Contrapositing Orthodoxy =
mythological standpoint=20
of theory of based on the</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;divine right of empire and =
ancestor=20
worship in both China and Japan, the realm </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>of enchanters (Risi of Indian =
Mythos, Xianrens)=20
existed whose residents gain magical</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;power with method of =
abandoning sociality=20
and annihilation of self-ego (Illumination).&nbsp; <BR>(But the = contradiction=20
between teaching of self-annihilation and existing </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>of legendary classical hierarchy of =
Risi and=20
Deva is intentionally ignored.)<BR>And under the doctrine of=20 &quot;illuminated&quot; Risi, most primitive animism is =
</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>approved by their &quot;high&quot; =
culture.=20
Animals and plants and, on the top of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>that, mineral Xianrens become =
human-form in=20
dancing and playing. <BR>So to speak, all of them, Xianrens are = outsiders and=20
behave as tricksters against </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>those who cannot abandon their =
social=20
life.&nbsp; <BR>On that sense, Xunwukong (monkey king) appeared on=20 &quot;Xiyouji&quot; (I forget </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>appropriate French? title version of =
Westfaring=20
for Buddism scriptures) who </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>makes rebellion against Celestial =
Emperor simply=20
act as natural to his situation. <BR>(But, Xunwukong serving to Tutor = Sancang is=20
faithful as Hanuman serving to Prince Rama.)<BR>And it might be = difficult to=20
imagine that immortals who cannot understand </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>being a human appear except as =
&quot;chaos&quot;=20
or &quot;trickster&quot;. <BR>In Chinese Myth, Villains are usually = non-human=20
sorcerers. In varieties of this kind,&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; bull monsters =
fought ancient=20
sacred kings are notorious, too. But most well-known</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;is the tale of fascinating =
witch-fox with=20
nine tails. <BR>In this notorious legend, this animal-witch highly = amalgamated=20
by mythos </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>and legends was good at transforming =
into=20
beautiful woman, and always fascinated </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>then emperors to corrupt into =
lewdness and=20
tyranny by her beauty and witchery. <BR>According to Chinese = commoner&rsquo;s=20
legend, for the king being enchanted by</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;her, the ancient Shang dynasty =
perished.=20
In Japanese legend, moreover, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>the cause of the downfall of elder =
Xia dynasty=20
of China and Magada </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>kingdom of India is this=20
fox.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;Chinese version of this =
folktale,=20
Fenshenyanyi, at last, the hero </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>(the marshal of new dynasty) =
executed the=20
witch-fox dispatched by Heaven Hauri.<BR>But in the Japanese version, = the fox=20
with nine tails came </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>over Japan, and came to be then =
emperor&rsquo;s=20
concubine. <BR>After that, hunted down by the Wizards of the Court and = famous=20
Samurais, </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>the fox was confined under the=20
&quot;setshouseki&quot; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>(in literally translation, the Rock =
of Homicide)=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>at the Prefecture of Tochigi. <BR>I =
think to be=20
able to call this Legend of the Fox the largest </FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>story-theme treating difficulty of =
understanding=20
evil.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>sorry for too long=20

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