Re: The Glorantha Digest V7 #308

From: bjm10_at_cornell.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:08:44 -0500 (EST)


On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, The Glorantha Digest wrote:

> Americans love to banalize foreign culture: that makes them feel superior.

So do Italians, English, French, Germans, Chinese, Japanese, Australians, etc.

> I don't say: kill a Death Lord and bring his body to Zorak Zoran shrine. I
> say, kill the same Death Lord and then dedicate his defeat to Yelmalion's
> Priests. There IS a difference: what I mean is that in this case, maybe,

That might get you some Yelmalian allies, but it won't mean that ZZ won't hate you and set his Death Lords after you. That's the problem with killing people indiscriminately. That's also the whole point of being a hero--making very big enemies.

> Hellroar will not come after you, but he will altogether grow his already

Hellroar shouldn't come after them unless they have actually violated a ZZ temple or are themselves ZZ worshippers. Spirits of Retribution are usually reserved to be used only against cult members. The cult's members are expected to take things out against non-member enemies.

> While Gian is broadly correct that the anglo-saxons had a class of
> warrior-nobility that roughly corresponds to the Orlanthi Weaponthane,
> they did not use the term to my knowledge. They called them simply thanes.

The only thing I've come across is "horse-thane". By the by, "thane" actually fell out of usage for a few centuries and was revived in the 16th century. Had it remained in normal English use, it probably would have ended up being spelled "thain", along with "rain", "main", and similarly-structured words.

The thing is that "thegn" in the Saxon and Scots usage has always referred to somebody higher in status than just an elite warrior. They also held substantial portions of land and in some areas the word was synonymous with "earl" (the highest rank below "king" in Old English), at least according to the OED.

The proper OE word for "weaponthane" would actually be "carl".


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