Gian Gero:
>To the GD audience: where/when in Glorantha can we find something similar
to
>an Opus Dei or Jesuit Ordinis or Inquisition Tribunal or Controriforma
>Movement? Where/when do pilgrimages, of the Western (Loskalmi or Seshnegi)
>kind do take place?
Though my Knowledge about this theme is limited for covering this question,
some
article in Genertela book, Many Fanzines such like Tales#13, Tradetalk,
Codex may help to mention about parties of Malkioni Enthusianism.
Please see and explain comment about heads below.
New Hrestoli
Watchdog (maybe its name derived from Crest Symbol of Talor) Council and
Swallow Knight Order (IMO, Sir Meriatan dares to Walking Tightrope Heretical
Heroquest for National Power even though he is Pious Orthodox New
Hrestoli: INRW, Many officialized RW Saints under Roman Catholic in Feudal
Age
swam the border among Orthodoxy and Heresy as Jeanne De' Ark, Pierre
Abelard, Catharine in Sienna. Before openning of Sindics Ban, there aren't
needness for Power Seeking against Outer World.) Northpoint & Southpoint are
their capiral, but Sogolotha Manbrola existed as Brithini and Half-Breed
Waertagi dominate this city with treaty.
Brithini
Pentagon (My finger slipped) Palace of the Pentacle was generally
indifferent to Outside World as far as it don't have to do with them. But
some exception has existed in Historical Current from Ancient Age.
Rokari
Order of Golden Lance (Sir Alverius Canardin was killed under Political
Conflict in Sog City in "How the West was One" ) and Inquisition may show
most fanatical attitude to their doctrine for their current position against
Outer Power. Many Witchhunters may act as Hand of Saint Rokar and justified
their
massacre of heretics. Leplain, Seguraine are Centers.
Blackhouse County
In New HW explanation in Issaries Site, Saint Atrox Order has very Strict
Code in Harshland as Under Calvin Control in Geneve. Muse Roost is Center.
Ralios
Many Cult Systems compose Minority Groups and Dogmatism about Malkioni
Sorcery Teaching: IMO, Christian Attitude to Other Area Religion is similar
to Stygian Heresy rather than Mainstream Malkionism. Stygian Heresy might
not have Proclamation Rite for Crusade against Enemy of Invisible God after
King Annmak, they may have another method as Controlling many greatest
Artifact of Arkat. Many Centers exist: Arkhome in Tanisor, Zorakarkat.
Question:
To Viceroy of Ralios: David Dunham
In Genertela Book, Duchy Sentanos is Stongest Nation in Modern Ralios: (but
weakened by current War against Otkorion and Siglorf Cult and failure of
Summoning Arkat Incarnate), but I cannot understand Connection Tortun and
Lady Erengazor with
Rokari in Older Version Runequest #3 Deluxe Box Introduction Glorantha: this
older version mentioned Sentanos as One Hold of Rokari Influence.
But Genertela Book said Sentanos as One center of Arkat arrival Movement (it
fails for some reason)
and Penelope Love (Pen Name?) played in "How the West was One" as Lady of
Feminism against tendency of Rokari Masculinism in Sog City.
Question:
To Viceroy of Lunar Empire: Martin Laurie & Nick Brooke
What is the Connection of Cult between TakenEgi and Yelm Noble? The two
similar cult how exist as in condition? Dara Happan "reluctant" Noble
Citizen?
In LE, many malfunctionized System like as Roman Empire controlled Gear of
Imperial Machine: Lunar Imperial Presidium, Dara Happan Senate, Pelorian
Council (Tales#17) and Demigods Egi on the Moonface.
Mysitical Buddhism has clearly connected to Hindu Tantrism and Other Area mysticism, but fundamental source of occurance is unclear for both Cultural History and Archaeology, Scholars disputed yet about which is their territorial China, India nor Another Region best source.
In Japan, Kuukai (aka Kouhou, he often appeared Wise-wizard style in Japanese Legend for his superhuman Intelligence and Knowledge, fluency and Writing of Chinese Character from Childhood in Shikoku Island) visited Tang Dynasty Capital Sian (now Xi'an), became One of VIP in Court during Short Visiting and became Successor of Mystical Sect Secret for his outstanding ability. After he return to Japan, he founded Temple Kongoubu, Mt Kouya in now Wakayama Municipality, South of Osaka.
Tibetan Mysticism fascinated many foreign Dynasties like as Last Stage of Yuan Mongol Dynasty with another sect of Current Lama Buddhism, their corruption to Decadent date back to risk of this Sect to Orgiastic Doctrine for Environment.
Miroku Maitreya is revered One of Idol of Mystical Buddhism, he is
Buddhisattiva until he and his disciples will illuminate themselves after
5,680,000,000 years. It has some large similarity to Persian-Indian God
Mithra for attributes and archeologic line.
Mithra was originally Indo-Aryan God of Law and Brother of God Varna. Many
knows Mithras was revered in Roman Empire as Military God of Persia. (Women
cannot initiate this system as Roman Military) His Birthday was Winter
Solstice (now We know this day as Christmas) for Oriental Sun God Nature.
This Cult Idea such as "12 zodiac disciples at Last Supper" made many early
Christian Priests see the evidence of "Satan's Paeody, mockery for Sacred
Teaching"
Many Imagination occured from exaggerated Idea "If Christ didn't conquer
Europe, Mithra may reign this world now."
Christian "Gray Adventure in Gray Heroplane (maybe Japanese express "Poor
Gray" as
elegant or Suited to the Way of Wabi-Sabi)" may be replaced Bountyful
Paganistic World as Hell Volume of Dante.
FREX, another source of Role Playing pop culture is Heroic Fantasy such as
Weird Tales.
(One source is maybe Oxford Pedantic Inklings?)
Robert E Howard (Mother-Complexious, Whitism, Man Chauvinism Pulp-Writer
even in his Age.) made Hybolia World much mentioned about Most revered Light
God of Civilization as Mithra even though World Setting is before Glacial
Period (But Noble Barbarian never reveres Soft Civilized Way.) Worship of
Mithraism also exists in Guin "Saga" (I think this word application to World
Longest Story is miserable for this story theme is far from Nordic Coldwind
Air.) with Name of Miroku (Japanese name for Maitreya)
as One of tributary current of them, this Japan-Europian Pop Cultural
Production now may became a Head of Guinness Book of Record (published by
Beer Company of London) as the Longest "Literature" written by One Author.
(Omnibus styles by plural Authors are much more Volume as Some Space Opera)
And if you see Whitewolf Publishment, Mithras is name of Vampire Prince
since Roman Imperial Day.
Question:
To Viceroy of Kralorela: Alex Ferguson
Some Mystics has Power canceling some magical effect (Hero Wars Web document
hinted)
with Some Mental Status like Illumination ignoring Cult Ristriction,
resistance to "Chaos" existence.
As Sheng Seleris & his Ruh? Jolaty (Zho Lath Ehy aka Zolathi) studied Some
Series of Mysticism in InsTor (Install?) Camp, they cannot harm Nysalorian
Mystic Kerestus in FS, and may these two mystic cult intermingled and formed
Zolathi Mystic School
Synopsis of Sheng Seleris documented Order of Day (officialized Lunar
Illuminati) called as Dolathi. If even physical law is magical effect of
Glorantha, how much Mystics ignored them with their Enlightenment Stage?
>Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:49:45 +0100 (BST)
>From: Alex Ferguson <abf_at_cs.ucc.ie>
>Subject: Re: Scary Scaly Sex
>> Joerg [Baumgartner]:
>> >> Not quite correct. They have hatched from eggs laid by neotenic
>> >> dragons. They need to undergo several metamorphoses to become
>> >> neotenic dragons.
>>
>> Alex [Ferguson]:
>> > 'WLIO' (aka, IIRC), I think Trotsky is right on this one, the
>> > reference puzzled me too. The parental dragons are described
>> > as 'immature', this is true, but the dragonewts themselves are
>> > described, elsewhere as 'neotenic'. Though if you consider them
>> > the same 'species' as dragons, the problem perhaps resolves
>> > itself (though not very satisfactorily).
>>
>> Ok, let's tackle this from the other end, then.
And IIRC, mature Dragons are Androgynites in "Dragon Pantheon"
>Sounds even ruder! *smirk, smirk...*
>> - What happens when mature dragons mate? How many are needed, how many
>> eggs are produced, what happens to the eggs?
>Beats the heck out of me. As you imply, doesn't sound like a good
>thing to be within the blast radius of... One might argue that
>the very act of mating was a sign of 'immaturity', i.e., not being
>an actual True Dragon.
>> - Can dragons still procreate from self-dismemberment? Will the
>> resulting dragons be able to reach the status of the parent, or are they
>> permanently inferior?
If Dragon wants Evolution, mating is needed for genetic possibility, but Dragons are perfect and want Devolution for World Entanglement.
>Another toughie. I'd say, off the top of my head, that prevailing
>belief (i.e., if you could wring any sense out of EWF scholars,
>dragonewts, and Kralori mystics (and good luck with any of that
>nutty bunch, frankly), and there was any sort of consensus between
>them...) it might be along the lines of, the draconic consciousness
>has to continue to 'devolve' until it reaches a certain critical
>point of individuation (like a 'newt, or a human), and only at that
>point can it start to 'rebound'. Think 'Big Crunch', as it were.
I have read some document about Gloranthan Dragons can perceive reverse current Time as Merlin in "Once and Future King" of Arthurian Writer T.H. White
>> >> However, Sandy proposed that they have five sexes, one for each
>> >> stage (including dragonet), and are thus able to breed. If so, I
>> >> wonder which stage is capable of laying the egg large enough to
>> >> hatch a warrior dragonewt.
>
>> > Ooooh, that's *gotta* hurt... I wondered about this too, it does seem
>> > a little odd. Perhaps the egg itself grows as the 'newt develops, or
>> > some such thing. For the sake of argument, I'll propose that if this
>> > does indeed happen, it's the warrior which is the 'oviparous sex'.
>>
>> Or this requires lots of "perfection of Body"-like dragonewt effects.
>> Possibly all of them, hampering the involved dragons in their
>> development. (This starts sounding like "the Brithini are getting
>> babies"...)
>You mean that they'd have to assume dragon form to some extent to
>do this? Interesting thought.
Maybe they only awake in Game World and dream for RW player's subconsciousness.
>> >> Would it be correct to say that the individual 'newt only is
>> >> the mobile manifestation of the developing egg, much like a
>> >> dream dragon?
>>
>> > That sounds at any rate just the sort of thing whacked-out draconic
>> > philosophers would say, at any rate. ;-)
>>
>> Actually, I was quite serious about this.
>Did I doubt it for a moment? ;-) (Not to be read as a direct
>accusation that you're a whacked-out draconic philosopher, mind...)
>> If the dragon's
>> (sub)consciousness develops within the egg, and it is creating a
>> permanent manifestation in the world of illusions (known as reality to
>> humans and their ilk), this would explain many irrationalities.
>But it doesn't really explain their purpose, or indeed why they'd
>have any purpose in the manifest world at all. If this were a
>strictly apt comparison, they'd be more like certain EI mystics,
>denying the material world wholesale, with their newtly manifestation
>just a spiritual error which the egg is striving not to improve, but
>to eliminate, as opposed to be anything much like Kralori draconic
>mysticism. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, since any attempt
>to rationalise 'newt behavior, much less religious thinking, in terms
>of any human system, even as one as annoying bizarre as the Kralorelans',
>is really at best only likely to be a crude working model, or more
>likely an outright guess...
Kralorelans, Kralori are Draconist, Theist, Mystician in their Geographic
Circumstance.
If you can see at least Some Human nature in them.
>> An Inhuman King seems to have two effects:
>>
>> 1) It projects the aura wherein the 'newt cities avoid the worst
>> entanglements of the world of illusions to the eggs.
>>
>> 2) If my suspicion about the "mother" being created from the collected
>> 'newt effects, it contributes the highest set of draconic magics to the
>> mother.
>I can see the logic of those notions.
>> Any draconic sexuality is likely to be eye-watering. Wyverns are said to
>> be the emanations of draconic wet dreams. If so, flying appears to be an
>> important part of 'newt or dragon sexuality, rapacious hunger another. I
>> won't ponder the poisonous barbed tail right now, though...
>I'm most grateful for that, at least.
Sorrow Dream?
>> How dinosaur-ridden is Kralorela - do they have any at all, or does the
>> benevolent presence of the empire correct these aberrations of weakness?
>Naturally the latter; any brontosauri (have these been retconned in
>Glorantha, or just in RL? <g>) you perceive to have just sat on your
>house are obviously caused by a faulty mind-set on your part. Stop
>introspecting!
Dragonewt is not Mystic.
End of The Glorantha Digest V7 #555
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