>Considering the Logicians reached as far as Pelanda in the
>flood and are still around today, I don't think it plausible
>that Old Seshnela had no recognizable Malkioni.
Let's amend that to "no self-ruled recognizable Malkioni". I never spent much thought on whether the Pendali had non-Pendali, logician-descended subjects in their cities. The orginal text doesn't indicate this, but the great ease with which (some of) the Pendali kingdoms were integrated into the Kingdom of Seshnela in the second century is astonishing even if one allows that the Seshnegi serpent kings embodied the arch-ancestress of the Pendali as well.
>I prefer to
>think of Froalar as being invited to rule a pre-existing
>city-state and he took his household along with him. Reasons
>for a vacancy shouldn't be hard to come by.
Renaming it in the course? I doubt there was a pre-existing city-state named Frowal (or Neleoswal, where his cousin Neleos created his city-state and duchy).
Renaming a city entirely seems to be fairly rare. If a conquerer speaks a different language, this may occur, but even then some common root is likely to remain.
Most often you get a name shift (Castra Legio -> Chester, Colonia Agrippina - -> Cologne or Koeln, Eburacum -> York). I can come up with fewer examples for direct renaming of cities - Nieuw Amsterdam -> New York is my only non-communist example offhand, with Leningrad, Karl-Marx-Stadt, Gorki etc. fairly obvious.
>>>Most of the population of Loskalm, erstwhile
>>>Seshnela and perhaps Slontos can claim to have lived there
>>>since the Golden Age (whereas Zzabur's betrayal of Malkion
>>>was a Darkness event).
>>I'd include Ralios as well. The Estali earth cult (and society) and the
>>Dawn Age Seshnegi "cult" of Likita are too similar (and too different from
>>anything Heortling/Vingkotling or Pelorian).
>That's not really evidence of a Malkioni civilization since
>they don't have earth goddesses.
A lot of Malkioni settlers in southwestern Genertela seem to have had them in some way or another. Whether this is a consequence of Hrestol's and Froalar's quests I cannot say, but even the Ingareens of God Forgot acknowledge Asrelia/Esrola as "Our Lady Who Giveth And Taketh Away" in Casino Town.
>But the people who lived
>there (the Galanini) have been there since the Golden Age
>(or before) and have been in contact with the Malkioni.
Again, I wonder how so many urban centers have sprung up in Hsunchen Country.
>>Jrustela had been part of the ancient lands of Logic, but seems to have
>>been depopulated as a result of the Brithini
>>-Vadeli wars.
>I think the people who lived there (the Tadeniti, I think,
>and famous for writing), were enslaved by the Mostali and
>marched over to Slon.
So the human slave population of Slon is (or was, originally) of Wareran race, and unrelated to the Agimori-like Dinosaur Hsunchen of inland Slon?
>>The early peoples myths have the natives of Ralios and Fronela as
>>Logician-descended peoples. Later these peoples get lost, and when the
>>lands were contacted once again, there were lots of civilized hsunchen
>>peoples there, no longer recognisable as Logicians despite them being
>>Wareran humans.
>Which myth is this?
Greg's triangular maps of the West, shown at Tentacles '99. They had the spike at the eastern point, and showed two of the six original Logician peoples inhabiting this area. The Logicians of Pelanda actually left the original lands of Logic, whereas Seshnela, Akem in Fronela and (at least western) Ralios would have been part of them.
>My understanding is that the Kachasti
>speakers inhabited the coastline of Genertela as part of
>the Speaking Tour. I don't know anything about them being
>lost and being rediscovered as hsunchen.
The map I have seen had them inhabiting the entire triangle section northwest of the spike. Greg said something about them being lost to the Westerners during the Darkness.
Being rediscovered as Hsunchen - well, whatever Logician culture they may have had or not, the Ralian Hsunchen preserved not much of that. A tendency to cluster around urban centres is the main indication.
>It is more probable IMO that various malkioni served
>local potentates among the Ralian Galaninae just as the
>Logicians served the Blue King rather than a wholescale
>colonization of Upland Fronela or Ralios. Thus at the
>Dawn, there would have been local malkioni here and
>there of different shapes and sizes.
Works as well, to much of the same effect. We know that the Logicians had left parts of their lands wild and untouched (cf. elves of Brithos), left to whatever wild beings dwelled there. "animal peoples, shapechangers undistinguishable from beasts"...
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