Yes, Swiss pike formations were known for charging. They moved at such a speed that it terrified opponents when they saw them coming. Makedonian formations were well-trained and also charged, once up a slope out of a river, and won. Aside from the few Greek mercenary units and the Spartans, hoplites were not well-trained, but normally charged into combat anyway, it seeming unseemly not to. They made some attempt to maintain formation, but didn't always quite achieve that. Training is good, but not necessary. Daniel
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