re: islamic glorantha from Gareth Martin on 2001-06-08 (Glorantha Digest Vol 08)

From: Gareth Martin <gamartin_at_nortelnetworks.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 16:39:10 +0100

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> Religeous Terms. (I found some similarity between Japanese Emperors and
> Samurai Shogunates.) Their Immigrants (and conquest) to Asia Minor of
> Byzantine Empire was a factor of Europian Crusades to Levant.

I think that oriental societies developed despotism in a rather different way to that which developed in the west. Some have argued that the influence of "oriental despotism" influenced the governmental/religious philisophies Rome and the like - the eventual deification of the Emperor and so forth, and that the middle eastern/persian landscape provides the context for this interchange. Also, we tend to underestimate the extent of international travel and awareness IMO - by the time the Mongols had control of Turkey, they also had large territories in China. IIRC, Mongol overlords attempted to introduce Chinese-style paper currency in Persia, but it didnt take off; the Mongols/Sheng provide the conduit for cultural interaction and discovery.

> I like this analogy, except that existing Gloranthan history presents
> the first Lunars as a motley crew of Dara Happan rebels and rogue
> Carmanians, putting together a convoluted and over-civilised
> conspiracy in the back room of a hotel - rather than a group of

Which kinda presents the Communism parallel. But I feel there is sufficient confuision as to how we look at the Lunars that probably one version should be adopted for consistency sake.

> By the way, given that most of the Lunar characters in the game so far have
> had Roman-inspired names, it does seeem a bit late to engage in renaming > them all in Arabic.

No, not all of them. A sa newcomer to Glorantha, the fact that lunars were so,etimes given roman-sounding names and sometimes arabic-soundiong names was rather confusing. Again, I feel picking one for consistency would be a good move.

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> Religeous Terms. (I found some similarity =
between Japanese Emperors and
 > Samurai Shogunates.) Their Immigrants (and =
conquest) to Asia Minor of
 > Byzantine Empire was a factor of Europian =
Crusades to Levant.


I think that oriental societies developed despotism =
in a rather different way to that which developed in the west.  = Some have argued that the influence of "oriental despotism" = influenced the governmental/religious philisophies Rome and the like - = the eventual deification of the Emperor and so forth, and that the = middle eastern/persian landscape provides the context for this = interchange.  Also, we tend to underestimate the extent of = international travel and awareness IMO - by the time the Mongols had = control of Turkey, they also had large territories in China.  = IIRC, Mongol overlords attempted to introduce Chinese-style paper = currency in Persia, but it didnt take off; the Mongols/Sheng provide = the conduit for cultural interaction and discovery.

> I like this analogy, except that existing =
Gloranthan history presents
 > the first Lunars as a motley crew of Dara =
Happan rebels and rogue
 > Carmanians, putting together a convoluted and =
over-civilised
 > conspiracy in the back room of a hotel - rather =
than a group of


Which kinda presents the Communism parallel.  =
But I feel there is sufficient confuision as to how we look at the = Lunars that probably one version should be adopted for consistency = sake.

> By the way, given that most of the Lunar =
characters in the game so far have
 > had Roman-inspired names, it does seeem a bit =
late to engage in renaming
 > them all in Arabic. 


No, not all of them.  A sa newcomer to =
Glorantha, the fact that lunars were so,etimes given roman-sounding = names and sometimes arabic-soundiong names was rather confusing.  = Again, I feel picking one for consistency would be a good = move.

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