> From: "TERRA INCOGNITA"
> First, see about the older text in Elder Secret
> written for King Frithorf
> the Magnificent or Prince Bertalor.
>
http://www.wpgaudin.freeserve.co.uk/HiddenQuest/metal.htm
Very useful link: thanks!
> And if you want to know about the realtionship
> between jewelry, cults and
> runes. There is an old but good unofficial source in
> Old New Lolon Gospel
> #2, Written by Mike Rowe, "A Catalogue of Gloranthan
> Gems (1992)"
Don't think I ever got that, since it looked Western. DO we know of an on-line copy anywhere?
> From: Mikko Rintasaari
Who prefers Tin to be Airy: so do I in fact, but let's look at all sides.
> We have Gold as the elemental metal of Fire/Sky, yet
> suddenly we get
> offered Tin as a second metal of the Sky. As
> explanation we seem to get
> the myth of lightning, and the metal is attributed
> to Dayzatar.
Think of Fire and Sky as two different things, and it may make more sense.
> Dayzatar, of course, is about as non-martial as a
> god can get. An aloof
> skygod that managed to avoid the war of the gods
> alltogether, yet somehow
> this is supposed to be the source of lightning.
"Impersonal" rather than "non-martial", perhaps? And think of the lightning that goes aross the sky rather than down to earth: it isn't a attack. He has great power: he just chooses not to use it.
> This was a very strange
> approach to the elemental logic anyway, with
> lightning attributed to the
> gods of fire, instead of storm.
Think "air" rather than "storm" and it may become clearer. Lightning as a property of Sky rather than Air makes some sort of sense.
In fact, the difference between Storm and Air may be the addition of Lightning...?
> Glorantha has five true, or original, elements.
> Fire, Darkness, Earth, Air
> and Water. These five can be arranged in a circle,
> where each always
> dominates the next and is dominated by the previous
> one. If Umath had been
> a young god, and Air was not a true element, it
> wouldn't fit into this progression.
All very true, and yet Umath was born of Earth and Sky. He manages to be both a pure element *and* a mixture.
I hvae a horrible feeling that both arguments are true, and there *is* no nice, tidy answer :( **dy storm gods, messing the place up :(
> When I claimed that bronze is a remarkable metal, I
> meant it in the sense
> that the young god's are remarkably different from
> the primal powers. They
> don't have the earliest god's raw elemental power
> and purity, but they
> have resourcefulness and resilience.
Is this how Orlanth differs from Umath?
> Finally there's the important question of MGF, as
> ably championed by MOB
> and Nick Brooke. We gain nothing by attributing tin
> to an obscure sungod.
> The only thing anybody ever seems to have used tin
> in published sources
> since RQ-1 seems to have been more or less tied with
> lightning,
Yes, tying Tin to Lightning (somehow) is, I think, a definite.
> Personally I think the elemental association of Iron
> is Death.
I *like* this idea. A lot. But it does introduce Death as a new Element, and that opens several new cans of worms.
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