Re: Caste

From: L C <lightcastle_at_IsMt3oOaRwwy2YQXwgyoClPN5RwRMO49U_UUId3virgsaRDih48gVBIlKStexr66>
Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:59:57 -0400

ttrotsky2 wrote:

>I'm trying not to give too much away about the contents of LotW at the
moment, until it's clear where it stands, so apologies if my answers are brief.

Understandable, if frustrating. ^_^

>> And the more I think about it, the more sense it makes for many
>> Saintly
>> orders to consider themselves knights in the caste system.
>In most cases, knights are just members of the warrior caste. The
Rokari don't believe in any of this Hrestoli nonsense, after all!

Sorry. I'm thinking more broadly than just Rokari here. Yeah, the Rokari have their own issues. But then, they aren't too fond of saintly orders either, if I recall, so that tension can still exist. Indeed, I think fights over people claiming to be one caste while others insist they are another is an interesting concept.

>They don't really cast spells like wizards; the saintly orders and the
wizardry school are quite different in most respects. Sure, they cast spells, but in many places, even commoners can do that. They just >don't get the range of magic that professional wizards do. (In rules terms, they typically have only one grimoire, whereas wizards usually have at least two, and often more).

This whole question of the mechanical differences between saintly and wizard/sorcery magic is one I think needs to be explored more. In fact, it is something else I want to post about. As I mentioned elsewhere, I think that as mechanically similar as they are, magic within the saintly orders is viewed quite differently than the magic in the wizardry schools. And where Wizard = Priest vs not is also an issue.

>> I like that. In fact, I can see orders of Dormal or Xemela also
>> being
>> knights in some places - at least legally.
>In some places, yes, although it's not common. Loskalm's a bit weird
in that regard, of course, and many members of their "knight" class aren't combat-oriented at all.

Right. That's a place I could see it.

>> Other places might view
>> Priestly orders as simply made up of many different castes doing
>> their job for one goal.
>Even among the Rokari, that's an accurate description of the clergy.

I'd expect it among the Rokari, actually.

>All the senior and mid-ranking members of the clergy are wizards, of
course, and have the best magic, but the bottom rung includes commoners, knights, and nobles.

The question becomes whether the 4th caste is considered "wizard" or "priest" or interchangeable, or what. ^_^ On such things are battles fought.

>> Quick question. In your view, are saintly orders more similar across
>> malkioni sect lines, or different?
>It depends. (Actually, I have an article in an upcoming issue of
Tradetalk that partially addresses this question).

So some have a strong internal structure that crosses sect lines, others are fairly splintered?
I can get behind that.

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