Re: Initiate in exile....what fills their 30% obligation time?

From: Richard Hayes <richard_hayes29_at_jEJiH8pAlArxDplRKgtwe7VKNUikRkK0W8y_De_hj-ZeyWXmH0mwkrMQ_qxD>
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:39:17 +0100 (BST)


Presumably part of the reason that people temporarily leaving the clan with the clan's blessing can still belong to the faith (like the trader going to Boldhome or Nochet) , is that their friends and family back home still count them as part of the community and still pray for them. In some way they probably enact special rituals to provide support for kinsmen who are far from home. By way of an extreme example, why not get an Elmali to lead prayers for kinsmen on a Lightbringers' Quest?
 

In the case of our outlaw, is it possible that some of his friends and family (and other die-hard rebels) might still say the odd prayer for him in the privacy of their own hearth, so he still has some limited support from a community? However in thecommunity-oriented Orlanthi faith, not giving anything back to your god or community through communal worship will, over time, weaken the ties between the exile and his god. I guess this is why finding annother community of like-minded souls is a good thing.
 

Could there be cases in which the enforcement of the sentence of outlawry was less rigorous than in Jeff's example (of someone exiled from tboth the clan and the tribe), because the community saw the crime as less severe or the punishment as more controversial (e.g. if a significant minority in a divided community were sympathetic to an exiled rebel?) If a sympathetic godi slipped away from the tula in the dead of night to lead an act of worship for a popular group of outlaws living just beyond the clan's boundaries, might some clans turn a blind eye to this?
 

Secondly if the rebels remained committed to Orlanth (maybe fanatically so, in the case of rebels exiled for provoking occupying Lunar forces too much), would Orlanth punish the godi for doing this whether or not the embarrassed clan chieftain trying to protect his people from the worst excesses of the Lunar Army did so?
 

I am also thinking of a TV documentary I once saw about some of the history around the Robin Hood legend(s), which suggested that some outlaws in Medieval England were (unofficially) permitted to come home from the forest for the winter, as long as they didn't cause any trouble.  
 

Sartar is nothing like Medieval England of course, but could something similar happen here anyway?
 

Richard Hayes
 

From: Jeff <richaje_at_klEUXqaz9wPUB3bCv420i_AJ2kOhjUf-0XeG0TX2bvxcWo_waA7tN15RdwIQi7qMERVhVmz-hRiyWZWG.yahoo.invalid> To: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011, 9:14
Subject: Re: Initiate in exile....what fills their 30% obligation time?

> Indeed at least this is trying to find a fun medium. What about a ritual that forms a kind of artificial clan ring. > A kind of arming ritual, that utilises the people and objects that you will be taking with you.

That certainly would work. But that literally counts as "creating your own community".

> I am not suggesting a free lunch, just trying to avoid the implication that you are deserting your god when required to travel more than 50 miles from home.

Context is what matters. Frex, you are a member of the Orlmarthing clan in good standing. You want to go to Boldhome to trade for a season and return. No problem whatsoever. At least prior to/after the Lunar Occupation. You are a Sartarite, you are welcome to participate in worship of Orlanth at the Great Temple (heck in the old days, the Prince always offered sacrifices).

New example - same guy, but wants to go to Nochet for a year. Now you need to find the Storm Temple and join the local community, pledge to obey the priests and so on. Welcome to life as an expat in a friendly society!

New example - same guy, but wants to go to Raibanth for a year. There is no temple there. Offering sacrifices to Orlanth requires fighting off Lunar and Solar demons that try to crush you every time you invoke the Good God. Stay too long and you might as well call yourself a lay member until you return. Maybe you need some new gods.

New example - different guy. You have been outlawed by your clan and tribe. If you stay within 50 miles of where you lived, someone will try to kill you. Again and again. Now you need to find a new temple that will accept you as a member. And protect you if anyone from a hostile clan runs into you. New Pavis sounds like a good place.

Jeff


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