There's a difference between making it to Loral and actually controlling Fonrit. And coastal piracy raiding is only profitable if there is something to raid.
>> While you could make an argument that Fozeranto also controlled Kimos, their lack of penetration into the Elf Jungles places a rather large constraint on the size of their grip.
> Enough to terrorize the various groups hiding from them.
Except that what was the best place to hide from them? Deep into the Jungles. But the Elves didn't even know humans existed and were relatively untroubled by coastal raiders.
> [...] but I think that the Apdara would have spread terror beyond their immediate area of influence.
I think you are looking at the inhabitants of Fozeranto the wrong way. Why would they want to spread terror? Think of them as a humanoid race lording it over humans like the Uz of Ignorance or even the Praxians. They raid Vithela because there is plenty of wealth there to be had. The Jungles and Kimos on the other hand are relatively valueless stretches of land (and Fonrit is a big question mark). What would be the point of going there?
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>> Before then they were in Ulrana which is probably in Laskal.
> That's where you put Garangordos, too...
That's true but Laskal is over five hundred miles wide. Plenty of room for both of them.
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>> I don't think the Pithdarans ever went to Fonrit. They built the boats on the Veldt and used magic to travel to the otherside so they could reach the Bad God from there. This makes their lateness a tad more plausible to me.
> Why would they build boats?
Because Boats were the traditional means of entry to the Otherside - "Sometimes the visitors go to [to the Hero Plane] by almost mortal means, such as the fabulous boats which are sailed by Doraddi shamans to the edge of the world" (G:CotHW Book 1 p13). Admittedly it's a single source, a detail which has probably been forgotten repeatedly.
> Oabil was northwestern Pamaltela, east of the Mostali lands. That description fits Kareeshtu as well as Vralos.
Except that west of Oabil was Kovano where the hostile Embyli were. That describes Fonrit because yellow elves were living there until Garangordos slew them all.
> The point is that the northwestern Pamaltelan coast is closely associated with slavery in the memory of the Agimori (and the southern Artmali).
I don't think so. Slavery is just one of the Bad Things which Bolongo invented north of the Fense; the others being sorcery, being a plant etc. etc.
> The Artmali did have flying ships in the Storm Age, which led to interesting encounters with the cloud ships of the Helerings, so I have no problem with an independent disembarkation there. However, at the height of the Artmali Empire, the northern coastal lands were part of that empire, and the northern coast would have seen their non-flying ships as well.
Again I don't think there was anything like an Artmali Empire that united all the Pamaltelan Artmali under one rule. By my reckoning, there were three Artmali states - Kungatu in Tarien, Tenel in what is now Zamokil and Coboranda in Fonrit. Kungatu is stated to be an Empire founded by Jarkaru, but its description in Revealed Mythologies p49 makes it clear that it was largely based in Tarien. While Kungatu did claim the rule of many distant places (even Sechkaul!), I always see a large amount of hyperbole in the claim considering that Tenel is not shown as being part of the Empire.
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> I don't see the Zaranistangi as Blue Moon related. A similar people of similar celestial origin, but quite distinct from the Artmali, with an ancestral link to Tolat.
The Zaranistangi are Blue Skinned (RM p38). Their king, Zemendarn, received Tolat's Sword, from Emperor Durpos of the Artmali (I assume the Artmali of Coboranda) (RM p47, p51 and p52). IMO they are also the Blue Tribe who sent Aroka against Orlanth.
> The storm folk invasion of the Veldt first overcame an Artmali empire, then suffered the same fate as did the Six-Legged Empire in the Imperial Age.
That's not what Revealed Mythologies says. Jarkaru fought Desero's Storm worshipping Horde and defeated them. He then becomes the head of the Artmali Army and eventually sets up the Empire of Kungatu. Kungatu then wars against Oabil. It is eventually overthrown by Afati of Tishamto, suffers under Vovisibor and destroyed in the Firefall.
The history of the northern Artmali is even more confusing.
> This offers the possibility that Hon Hoolbitku was one of the slaves caught by the Six-Legged Empire and brought to Fonrit. The Agimori of Jolar named their alliance against the Kresh after a Fonritian city? (And who classified the languages of the central veldt as Arbennan?)
Strictly speaking Arbennan wasn't founded until several centuries later
to repel the Kresh. But it is an interesting idea.
--Peter Metcalfe
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