> Balderdash and humbug. Kyger Litor is the Mother. You emerge from
> her; you are not engulfed by her.
Kyger Litor is the Mother, to uz.
She is the Devourer to just about everyone, inlcuding the Orlanthi, etc.
> She's the opposite of ZZ. (It would
> be different if trolls viewed her as the wife goddess. Then she would
> engulf. But they don't.)
There are no wives among uz, just husbands. (joke).
I see the Eater as sweeping across boundaries, like darkness does at
> dusk.
Tha's Kyger Litor
> I think that Zorak Zorak is a manifestation of the Eater for a
> particular culture. The stories that they know are ones that identify
> him crossing boundaries. They are all comprehensible within the Eater
> rubric. When the Eater reaches out and touches you, it's not with a
> loving embrace: it's with his teeth.
>From the start Kyger Litor has been the all-engulfing Hell Mouth, the Great
Belly of Darkness that consumes all, and also the Mother from which all
things come, and return.
Round up some stories where he's a boundary crosser and I'll make
> them fit in that square hole. Where's my hammer?
another joke.
> Frankly, the part of Zorak Zoran as Eater that does not work is the
> whole zombies thing. That only makes sense as a violator of rules.
> And I don't see anyway that making a zombie is like consuming
> something. (Now, if he sucked the soul right out of the body and left
> the zombie behind, that would be kewl! But that's not the way it
> works.)
that is a pretty cool idea, and I'm not going to say how he makes zombies.
> At one time they DID worship it, didnt they?
>
> Yep. It is one of the foreign spirits they worshipped before Waha
> came and saved us all. Praise Waha!
>
> > And cast it on the Grazers.
>
> That's the Black Net. I think it's a different thing. (Becuase the
> Black Eater NEVER disgorges something!)
that is right, neither does Kyger Litor. Now, regretably, my books have been packed since my son and gandson just moved in so I can't cite the source or point out the hints, but I recall that they were summonning the Eater, and the Grazers performed a spectacular sacrifice to escape.
They were summoning the Black Eater on Gbjai when he wounded Kyger
> Litor.
Because, the Black Eater = Kyger Litor.
> One could speculate that the Black Eater rebounding on KL and
> was what caused the damage. (Helping fix this is one of my
> character's secretish quests.)
The description of the Battle of Night and Day makes it clear that it was Gbaji that burned/devoured his way out of her innards. "Nysalor ripped the innards of Kyger Litor from her soul and ever since then the entire troll race has been cursed." (http://www.glorantha.com/new/battle_nightday.html) The Illuninated Mystic alone is capable of coming back from the depths of the Underworld, and his self-resurrection damaged her permanently.
--
Greg Stafford
Game Designer
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