On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Alison Place <alison_place_at_OLnwjm7fCHnp8rwHSWbOkg1TJ78NXoTaUSNMBCK19cw3Wn_53_8gmo8Iv6RjfUbufZVyfN3alZ76tI16.yahoo.invalid>wrote:
> I'd say it's a Jekyll and Hyde. It was official ten years ago, but may
> have been altered since. Here's the direct quote from the Lodril write-up
> on the old Issaries site (1998):
>
> "Monster Man: This creature is the dark side of Lodril. He incarnates
> everything fearful: seething rage and eternal pain without solace. He is the
> final rebellion of decency distorted by impossible pressures. The spell he
> offers is only available at Lodril's great temples, and once cast must run
> its full course."
Yes. But note that this is a negative interpretation. Lodril Bijiif is also the god of rest, of repose, of storage.
More Lodril stuff available at:
> http://www.glorantha.com/library/religions/cult-lodril.html
>
> Now, nothing prevents others from having a different view.
YGWV
> As written, it sounds like the final resort of a Lodrili driven too far by
> life, circumstances or his noble masters. He has run amok. It's
> religiously sanctioned personal rebellion.
Remember that the motivations you are assigning here are human, and not entirely correct for the god. He just simply IS those powers. What you describe are the reasons people will access those powers.
> One wonders about how you persuade the priest to cast that one for you,
> unless it's something for which you just appeal directly to the god.
The priests of Lodril are of the people. they are not nobility, like the Yelm priests are. They can get their positions from among the people, and the pain of the people is he pain of the priests. They know when invocation of these "negative" powers are appropriate.Note the quotes there. These are not negative for the worshippers, for it is those that will right the wrongs, bring justi ce, bring peace.
It seems to resemble one of Gorgorma's roles somewhat, except that
> Gorgorma seems to be the source of full scale peasant rebellions, not just
> individual madness.
I'd say just the opposite. Lodril is the god of peasant rebellions. Gorgorma, to me, is more personal, as she is the avenger of women.
Derdromos is mentioned in the Entekosiad. As everyone knows, that isn't a
> reliable source, as it's a collection of myths filtered through a particular
> priest's collection bias. Mind you, I'm not an expert in this part of the
> Glorantha mythos. About the only extended discussion that I could find was
> dated a long post from David Cake, dated 1996, so it predates the Lodril
> cult write-up:
> http://talmeta.net/runequest/lists/wharton/v02.n207
Interesting scan, but I'm not goign to try to analyze that. I'm happy to continue the discussion
--
Greg Stafford
Game Designer
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