My apologies to digest readers.
I would love to find that argument. I've always had problems with the cult-specific initiation, although from what I understsand it has been the gloranthan norm since the beginning.
To be honest, having been introduced to glorantha in hq1 and HW, I still think presenting the magic systems as the overall organizing principle rather than each culture's magic was a mistake of epic proportions.
>From what I understand of the way HQ2 is set up, it will be far easier
for me to "fix" Gloranthan magic, pushing the three-world concept into
the background where it only matters to dedicated magicians and moving
common and pantheon/cultural magic to the fore.
It will, of course, result in my glorantha varying heavily, but that's fine.
I will also be keeping all those cults even if they are more local names and such rather than mechanically specific.
LC
On 6/4/09, Joerg Baumgartner <joe_at_4IVW9lMIGEp-Rfit5wwyjnB6ztREIjcNkGoi_OYGQuFGFJuHwnDLax1b16GkVCwLctbHmKVcDQ.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
>> "Sean Foster":
>> Anyway, I can remember Joerg and someone dueling at a convention
>> (was it with inflatable penguins or swords) over if a culture
>> worshipped a single diety or group (aspects) of that deity. Can
>> someone remember what I cannot ... for some reason I thought it
>> was a precursor to the aspects in Storm
>> Tribe. Or just finish off the song...
>
> It was one of several (too?) prolonged debates I had in the early years of
> the RuneQuest Daily, in this case sometime in the first half of 1994.
> (Where has the data on Lokarnos.com gone... there were links to the
> digests there...)
>
> If I'm not totally mistaken, my war-cry was "Pantheon initiation". I'll
> try to see whether Hans van Halteren's video documenting that fight still
> has some recognizable data.
>
>
> Henk:
>> I remember the duel well - I refereed it!
>> This must have been '93 or '94 and it was Joerg and Alex
>> with sturdy padded weapons provided by Ingo Schinke.
>> This was in the UK, I guess Convulsion?
>
> Convulsion 1994, right after the first European Trollball game ever.
>
>> What it was about? I don't know, but the two guys did get
>> a good clobbering...
>
> I recall having had fun and quite convincing arguments... and I'd do this
> again.
>
>
> Jamie McLaren:
>> Not sure exactly what you are remembering of course, but Joerg and Alex
>> had a very long and in many ways formative argument over theists (not
>> called that back then) worshipping a single deity or a pantheon on the
>> old lists. Is this what you are perhaps remembering or maybe a follow on
>> argument?
>
> There were lots of follow-on arguments. I recall asking what cult an
> Orlanthi farmer would worship, and back then the answer was "Thunderous,
> for the rain".
>
> Of course, I was busy introducing the Aeolian Church of Heortland at the
> time, and the various discussions sort of invaded one another.
>
>> I was only telling Jeorg this weekend that I always have that old
>> discussion in mind whenever I read new versions of the magic system, so I
>> can decide who is currently winning, despite the fact that the body of
>> argument has not been added to for over ten years.
>
> Neither position won, but the points that were made crept into the lore.
>
>
> Not having seen either HQ2 or the Sartar manuscript yet, I don't see any
> need to completely dump all that has been said before. It is always good
> to dump strict dogma in my book, and so my Glorantha will vary on the side
> of backward compatibility to Thunder Rebels where it was helpful to shape
> character concepts. Whether to call these minor forms (and strange names)
> subcults, hero cults, or local forms/additions I don't really care. There
> have always been Sword Sages of Lhankor Mhy, whether they were called
> initiates of Hevduran or not. (That's where one of my characters is
> concerned - I won't start to guess where other peoples' long-standing
> characters will be concerned.)
>
> I have yet to meet two separate gaming groups using a rules system exactly
> the same way, so I'll be quite laid back about disappearance of
> rules-based categories while intent to keep all the useful chrome and
> forgetful about all those frills which never made it into my writings or
> games.
>
> If I should come into the situation that my writings are to be used for
> official publications, some will have to clear any differences to the then
> current party line. That's what editors are for.
>
>
> To me, Tentacles was once again the platform to meet many those
> interesting people who make up the various clans of the tribe, and to talk
> shop, catch up on family developments, play a few games, drink more than a
> card's worth of beer and get too little sleep. As a first, I not only came
> late, but also left early, so I only had about 48 hours of the most
> intense con experience.
>
> See many of you all on some convention next year...
>
>
>
>
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