Do you know where this temple was located? Alda Chur would be nice.
>
> > They do at a minimum have to be Yelm worshiping
> > mercenaries.
>
> I don't think so. Sun Dome Temples are not specifically associated with
> Yelm. If you said they had to be Dara Happan mercenaries then I don't
> think that's necessary. The Sun Dome Temples first re-appear after the
> Gbaji Wars in Holay in 562 ST and there's plenty of time for it to
> percolate into Dragon Pass circa 877 ST without Dara Happans being involved.
>
OK, this all fits fine for me and I could easily conform to this.
Do you happen to recall the source material for the reappearance of Sun Dome Temples in 562 ST I would like to read more. Reappearance from when? Sounds interesting.
> > They have to be Yelm worshiping because eventually they
> > become Yelmalians
>
> They were Yelmalions from the very beginning.
>
> --Peter Metcalfe
>
>
> >> Jeff continues-
> >
> >> I doubt there was a Second Age temple to Yelm in the Far Point -
> >> >this was in the heart of Orlanthland. Maybe a shrine to
> >> Tharkantus, >a war god of the EWF. Maybe to some other Fire/Sky god
> >> of purely >local significance. Maybe to some star or planet. But
> >> not Yelm.
> >
> > Here I have to disagree. My limited understanding runs as follows:
> >
> > First, Alda Chur seems to have grown by being on or close to a number
> > of trade routes during peaceful times in all three ages. I have no
> > proof of this first statement other than that a ruined walled city of
> > substantial size exists beneath it. If earth's history and
> > archaeological study of settlements is any guide to such matters it
> > seems likely that the site has been inhabited over and over again
> > probably continuously up until the Dragon Kill.
> >
> > Second, the Darra Happans were at least temporarily co-opted by the
> > EWF by 770 ST -Darra Happa Stirs p.10 The EWF decline does not begin
> > until after 875 -Glorantha Book page 23. The EWF made use of Darra
> > Happan troops and mercenaries for a time in their war against the God
> > Learners and also against various barbarian groups. And it seems
> > likely that there were reasonably good relations even before 770 as a
> > precursor to this union. One can conclude that there was trade and
> > other exchanges of culture between Peloria and Dragon Pass over what
> > would conservatively be at least 200 years of the second age. Also,
> > while the EWF starts out culturally Orlanthi, it seems that by the
> > time the EWF holds sway in Dragon Pass they have left the rivalry
> > between solar and wind behind in furtherance of other goals. If I am
> > wrong about this please enlighten me.
> >
> > Third, during the first age the World Council of Friends interacts
> > (OK, often wars) with the Pelorian river valley peoples. And later,
> > as the Second Council from there new seat in Doraster, helps them to
> > throw off nomadic control and so the Darra Happan empire rises again.
> > It is reasonable to conclude that Pelorian worship of Yelm touched
> > dragon pass on a number of occasions over this period not the least
> > being when the High Council conquers Dragon Pass in 380 ST.
> > -p.17-18 Glorantha Book. Agian, it's important to note that there is
> > not a constant state of war and if there are any cities of any size
> > anywhere one has to assume a high level of trade and with trade there
> > is generally some level of multiculturalism. (More on
> > multiculturalism etc in a reply to a separate post of this thread)
> >
> > Finally, it seems to me that the dissemination of the feud between
> > Sun worshipers and Storm worshipers goes back to before the Dawn and
> > is fairly widespread already when the sun rises. As Yelm IS the god
> > that travels across the sky daily and Orlanth IS the storm god upon
> > which this cultural and theological feud is based, at least in
> > central Genertela, it seems safe to assume that we start with an
> > intermingling of beliefs throughout the region even if there is a
> > prevalence of one or the other in certain regions. Some of this feud
> > is cultural and cannot be maintained in absence of its other subject.
> >
> >
> > For these reasons it seems at least possible that one or more temples
> > worshiping Yelm in some guise does indeed exist in Dragon Pass and
> > why not in Far Point. In fact what better location?
> >
> > --- In WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com, "jeffrichard68"
> > <richaje_at_> wrote:
> >> --- In WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com, "chrphrgrv" <chrphrgrv@>
> >> wrote:
> >>> Surely, the Far Walkers had no Yelamlian cultists when they
> >>> arrived in the area. The only people worshiping Yelmalio in 1357
> >>> ST when the Far Walkers crossed the Dwarf Run and entered The Far
> >>> Place were the conservative land holders in Sun County far away
> >>> along the Zola Fel.
> >> In Prax they worshiped a fading sky god who was later revealed by a
> >> Sartarite companion of Dorasor to be Yelmalio.
> >>
> >>> Nevertheless, some of the Far Walkers worshiped Yelm in some
> >>> other way already. When they found the long abandoned temple to
> >>> Yelm they consecrated it, not as a Yelmalian sun dome temple but
> >>> as an alter for the worship of Yelm.
> >> I doubt there was a Second Age temple to Yelm in the Far Point -
> >> this was in the heart of Orlanthland. Maybe a shrine to Tharkantus,
> >> a war god of the EWF. Maybe to some other Fire/Sky god of purely
> >> local significance. Maybe to some star or planet. But not Yelm.
> >>
> >>> What form did this take?
> >> The settlers worshipped Elmal. He is the Orlanthi Sun God after
> >> all. Maybe they had a cult of Elmal of Alda Chur, or Elmal the
> >> Exile, or Elmal the Defiant, or whatever. But it wouldn't have been
> >> until after 1496 (and likely significantly after that date), that
> >> the Aldachuri came into significant contact with lowland Pelorian
> >> sun cults as described in King of Sartar.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
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