Re: Dara Happans and Time

From: jorganos <joe_at_...>
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2013 17:52:14 -0000


Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_...> wrote:
>>> They had night time back then.
Me:
>> Do we have any sources for a presence of Night prior to the descent of Yelm? Peter:
> There are plenty of references to Night time in Orlanthi myth
> before the Emperor was slain. For example in the Making War,
> One of the Old Gods is Night who was standing guard when the
> Shell Horse was stolen.

So we have a character Night, who came before Yelm, and now serves as a guardian. We know that Aether came into Darkness.

> Likewise in the myth When Orlanth was Prisoner, the Emperor has
> "huge armies and priests and clowns at his call day and night".

"day and night" is a figure of speech, more poetic than "at any time".

> Likewise in the glorious ReAscent, there are references to days
> in myths involving Yelm. One example is "One day Yelm felt the
> need for grandeur" in the myth of the First People. One can't
> have plural days without nights.

Having lived north of the Arctic Circle, I can say authoritatively that you can have plural days without nights. Even with the sun in the sky all day long, there can be a natural rhythm to a day. Yet more so with an imperial court where the rhythm would be ceremonial.

> Further references to days are also found in the Entekosiad.

I always find it hard to fit Entekosiad myths into the Ages. Orogeria myths are little different from those of the Log Bearers, for instance.

>> Do you have a source for Yelm moving from his throne room after 
>> becoming Emperor? The most movement I find recorded about Yelm 
>> is his court dance in the Orlanth challenge, closely followed by 
>> lifting his feet from the Footstool when Sshorga entered Raibanth >> untamed.

> Yelm creates the First People at Ersorianen which wehrever it is
> placed is not in Yelm's Throneroom.

Do we know that Yelm was Emperor when he created the First People?

> As for the confrontation with Nestendos:

> Then Yelm himself strode forward to confront the cold-eyed
> serpent [Nestendos], but he could not, for the very essence of
> his pure Justice prevented him from being polluted by this contact.

> Hardly an example of immobility.

Ok, he may have taken a step forward (or more likely have ordered his court to step back). Maybe he left his throne room, but did he leave his imperial city? Did he ever leave the center of the sky (to get back to my original point)?

The theory that he hid beyond the Sky Dome would not have meant that night would have fallen in the Golden Age. Even after the invasion of Lorion, the sky dome still remained luminous. And if his purity and justice prevented Yelm from confronting Nestentos, how did he go past the Celestial River?            

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