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> On 27 Jul 2013, at 10:27, drscience3000 <dr.dave.00_at_...> wrote:
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> > As the Intro the Hero Wars book says...
> > "Yet many Lunar heroes gained fame by killing vampires or smashing the slave heads of Thanatar. The awareness of the educated or sensitive concerning the proximity of chaos makes them acutely aware of their dire responsibilities."
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> A slightly changed form of this is repeated in Pavis - Gateway to Adventure.
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> > > A cult has the view that "All of this kind of people is bad", as a religious view. It would be better to have local commanders take a view on whether the chaos needs to be put down and then to use whatever resources are available.
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> > I don't see that the cult listed says that "all" chaos is bad. It only described probably with chaos that is "unhealed", "breaking the the law", uncontrolled, or whatever and the desire to preserve the magics used to deal with it.
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> As Peter said "The unhealed chaos theme was only a brief line in Gods of Glorantha [1985] and isn't a core tenet of the Lunar Way.", and bear in mind that ILH1 & 2 are not considered canon anymore, but can still be used in your games if you wish.
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> Ideas concerning how the Lunar Empire works have evolved considerably during this time. The largest update has been the in how lunar religion works in Pavis - Gateway to Adventure, have a look at page 407 Lunar Chaos. The upcoming guide also considerably expands our understanding, with access to Greg's notes we now know more about the Lunar Empire than we have at any other time.
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> Jeff said "The Dara Happan Empire, of which the Lunars are simply the newest managers, divides everything into those who obey the Emperor and those who are Rebels. Before the Red Goddess, most Dara Happans foolishly thought that all monsters were Rebels. But She shows us that such views come from fear and ignorance. Some monsters now obey the Emperor and are accepted as members of the Empire. Others do not, and the Emperor strikes them down with soldiers."
> If you want to have a Lunar Chaos Fighting Cult, you can - Your Glorantha will vary. However if you want to keep your Glorantha in line with what is currently defined as canon by MD - which no one is saying have too, a Lunar Chaos Fighting Cult isn't in keeping with current ideas on the Lunar Empire.
It seems we are going around in circles. First off, you don't need to envoke "unhealed" chaos to see that the Lunar empire sometimes has enemies who use chaos. I'm seeking to introduce anything. The Irin school is in the the Lunar Handbook. All I'm saying is that I find it OK.
And perhaps this is part of the problem, when I say that I have no problem with a school that helps the Empire when it finds it needs to fight chaos (whether it does so because you believe in unhealed chaos or the text above means they just sometimes fight it when its "not on our side"), some talke about how a Lunar cult shouldn't "oppose all chaos", but there never is a response when I ask why (if you were making a point on that in your message, I missed it). I think that people are assuming that I'm talking about bringing in a Storm Bull equivalent, I'm not. The Irin school description exists in ILH II and it says nothing about all chaos being bad. The school merely preserves techniques for combating chaos when the need arises. This all seems quite reasonable.
Now the references to Dara Happa are timed interesting, because in our group there has been disagreement about whether Carmanian influence on the Empire hasn't largely displaced Dara Happan. But this neither here no there for this point.