Orlanth's Ring, Parables, Yelm Furies

From: Stephen P Martin <ilium_at_juno.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 1996 20:44:49 EST


Joerg Baumgartner <joe_at_toppoint.de>
Orlanth's Ring
>

SM>>Perhaps the "wound in Orlanth" referred to is not _just_ the
>>Red Moon itself, but also the missing Ring in the sky.
>
>I dislike this. The disappearance of the Ring would have made its
>recognition by some not very devout Sartarite at the 1625 ritual
unlikely if
>it had occurred already in 1247.

I think you misunderstand what we mean by "disappearance". I am postulating that OR was visible _every_ week, originally. By "disappearance", we are stating that it now only appears every other weeks. Thus, before Castle Blue Orlanth's Ring passes through the Pole Star gate, and appears again a few hours later. After Castle Blue, after Karsten Fardrosson's "spectacular failure", it passes into Pole Star Gate, and appears again a week later. After the Brown Dragon event, it is again visible every week.

>If that star constellation disappeared in any bad weather, it would have
>been in the sky only 01to 375 ST, 450 to 578 ST, and 1042 to 1247 ST. In
>that case it is most peculiar that it gets mentioned at all...
>

It is not bad weather that makes it disappear -- it is the defeat of Orlanth. I guess "disappear" _is_ a confusing word to use in this discussion. Let's try "change its period", from 1 week to 2 weeks and back to 1 week. Thus, it is visible every week from the years you mention (plus 1625 and later), but has the motion described in Elder Secrets (visible one week out of two) for the periods 375 to 450, 579 to 1042, and 1247 to 1625.
>

Martin Laurie <102541.3423_at_CompuServe.COM> Humakti fleeing Death?
>
>Brian McKinley asks:
>>But my question is is: would a Humakti really ride far away to
Harandash to
>>avoid death? Or would he welcome the meeting, recognising that his/her
time >>was obviously over?
>

This also begs the question of whether or not the story is being told _about_ a Humakti -- I don't believe that was ever stated.

I would suggest maybe rewriting the parable to have the Pharaoh as the main character. My impression of the City of Wonders is that the inhabitants sort of treat(ed) the gods as just regular folks -- Orlanth blows into town, and all the peasants go down to the bar for their free drink. Magasta washes in for awhile, and dines with the Pharaoh and his guests, while the peasants get fed. Etc. Having Humakt drop by for a chat with the Pharaoh seems very appropriate to me.

"Carlson, Pam" <carlsonp_at_wdni.com>
David's questions
>
>>The Yelm writeup has all these great Furies that are his spirits of
>reprisal, which are really cool. Anyone want to speculate on how these
fit
>into the fabulous new world of Yelmic myth?
>
>Well, there were those naughty emperors who defiled Yelmic temples - and
>the offending organs rotted off. Many died in lots of horrible and
>mysterious ways. IMO, the Hellfuries described in GoG are just one of
>reprisal spirit.
>

Relating them to some of the specific myths is appropriate, especially when the (usually) women concerned do not appear on the Godswall. For example, GRoY pg. 42 mentions Philekka, "now a renown demon of the underworld". She let evil in during the Anarchy Year, and ruined the return of Yelm. Making her a fury seems appropriate.

Veng, the ancient deity of avilry, has now been demonized. He could also be a very good fury, though more towards the Vrimak side of the house. Any of the more corrupt Emperors might make good furies, though it would be hard to control them. Eater of Flesh would probably be more than happy to eat anyone's flesh, and might be willing to cooperate with Yelm just to get the chance to eat people again. Same is true for Eats Women.

On the Godswall itself, lots of cool demons to use, many of them female. Gerra, #16, has slits instead of normal eyes, and so might be blinded. Gamara is howling -- is this in pain, or in rage, or just like many horrific creatures howl as they are about to devour your soul? The "missing figure" of Row IV could be almost anything, by this time (1621 ST).

<nilsw_at_ibm.net>
Orlanth's ring and dragon magic
>
>The Kralorelans also have a history of moving stars, so
>at least they must have been aware of what was going on.
>

Tentative discussions have suggested that Lokarnos/Wagon may have been the "star" moved by the Exarchs to complete their conjunctions, to cause the Dragon Godunya to Awaken with such a Shudder.

Stephen Martin
ilium_at_juno.com

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