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Keith Nellist:
>The other good link with Atyar and Kralorela (apart from the description in
>Lords of Terror of it as a Kralori cult of occult thieves that spread west
in
>the first age (although Treack Markhor only hid the skull there in the
Second
>Age)
The reference for Second Age is from Shadows on the Borderland
If he was from Dragon Pass, Treack Markhor could have reached Kralorela
in the Dawn Age. Contact was made before the Sun Stop. IMO I think
Treack Markhor was a local renegade sage who was thought to be a priest
of Lhankor Mhy by the Orlanthi. This is not new, Irrippi Ontor is also
said to a Grey Sage even though the Pelorians know him as an Astrologer
and a Carmanian Vizier.
I agree that Treak Markhor could easily be a Kralorelan. Is there a Kralorelan
equivalent on Lankhor Mhy? I do think the name sounds Central Genertelan,
although obviously this could be the Centralised version of some Kralori name.
The fact that the skull was found in the East Isles makes me think he had
ocean transport - This is the main reason I would still prefer a
Jrusteli/Lankhor Mhy priest/scholar with less morals than sense.
> would be the Godlearner/BrainLooter New Dragon Ring.
The God Learners were not Brainlooters. That is some mysterious organization who were around in sixth century Dragon Pass. The God Learners didn't get organized until the middle of next century.
I didn't realise that the Brainlooters were a special organisation, I had assumed that it was a nickname for Godlearners as stealing other peoples secrets seemed to be what they were about. Either way the New Dragon Ring were also stealing other peoples stuff; "falling upon the Land of Splendour like vivisectionists on a new animal."
Secondly the New Dragons Ring 'stopped being God Learners'.
My point being that they then joined/took over the cult of Atyar.
>Atyar is an
>excellent Godlearner cult; Consume Minds, Devour Book, Voice of Atyar
>all help plunder other peoples secrets.
The operative word here is 'cult'. The God Learners did not join cults to worship Gods but subscribed instead to numerous schools, philosophies and Wizardly orders. If they came into contact with spirits like Atyar, it would have been most probably through demonology and other methods. Since Atyar is a worshipped entity, his cult demonstrably was _not_ joined by God Learners.
The operative words were "plunder other peoples secrets" which is what the New Dragon ring did. It is 41years between Godlearner "freebooters" (who sound like low morals type godlearners; perhaps they had been exiled from Jrustela, which is why they were seeking new land) arriving and Yanoor leaving as Emporer which is plenty of time for the original Godlearners to learn few new tricks, give up their old philosophy and take over the Empire of Splendour
>I would go as far as making Treak Markhor a powerful official in the New
>Dragon Ring, perhaps ruling a city, or province, as an Atyari 'Exarch'.
Unfortunately the Imperial Age is when the Atyaris are best understood to have met up with the Thanics after being expelled from Kralorela. And the New Dragons Ring were in control throughout most of that age.
The New Dragons Ring started having trouble in 1050, which is still second age
(just)
However Stephen Martin in Drastic Vol. Chaos suggests a First Age drift of
Atyari westwards. There is no problem with this, Atyari would not have all
packed up their books and left in an organised caravan. Even during the New
Dragon Ring dominance the cult of Atyar is not exactly nice and friendly; They
are still a bunch of Mind Consuming, backstabbing, evil conivers to whom the
word Politics implies serious blood letting.
If the Brainlooters are headhunting thanics suddenly empowered by Kralori Atyar magics, then the Atyari were expelled before the New Dragons Ring took over and so Treack Markhor cannot have been an exarch.
This logic assumes all Atyari were expelled in one go which is certainly not the case. I no longer know who the Brainlooters were.
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