Point taken, sorry I misunderstood.
Joerg
<<I tend to regard Pavis as a student of strange and powerful magics
abundant in the EWF, but not necessarily tied to draconic methods.
Neither the Remakers nor Hachrat Blowhard's Alma Mater show much in the
way of draconic traits. Pavis didn't use any draconic allies to manifest
his power, either, but a blend of his aldryami heritage and
dwarf-related magics likely learned from Isidilian.>>
me:
Well, I can see your point, but I think it is stated somewhere that he
studied Dragon Magics. I don't suppose that proves much either way. Even if
Pavis himself isn't necessarily a draconic mystic my basic premise (that he
left the EWF with his own religious ideas) is still valid.
Joerg:
<< Most of the interior of Pavis was built by humans, not by dwarfs. Pavis
needed lots of specialized craftspeople to keep his city alive, pretty
much like Sartar did when he set up Wilmskirk and later towns. I don't
see nomads adapting to settled life and specialized craft this quickly,
and there is no other sensible source of skilled work nearby except the
EWF.>>
Again, I disagee that the only sensible source of urban craftsmen is the EWF.
The Port of Sog is nearer, not yet ruined, and presumably contained numerous
Jrusteli craftspeople. Pavis took 20 years to finish his part of the city
(pretty slow if he only did the Real City, which is quite a small area).
Joerg:
<< I don't see evidence (or need) for any Pure Horse people except those
reformed into the Zebra Tribe as permanent residents of Pavis. There is
evidence for lots of sedentary people in Pavis, though, and that means
either Zola Fel fisherfolk or EWF-Orlanthi (or exiles, Pavis is far
enough from the core of the Empire to serve as dump for dissidents).>>
I agree that only the less conservative Pure Horse (ie those radical enough to start breeding zebras) would remain in the city. A bunch of zebra riders who are willing to change their ways, following Joraz Kyrem's example.
Joerg:
<< They would have had at least as much
contact to Praxians as to Pure Horse horse speakers (without anybody
suggesting they started speaking Praxian), but even more daily contact
with both Pavisite and EWF-side Theyalans.>>
Pavic citizens would have hated and feared the Praxians (IMO) and had as little as possible to do with them. As I argued before, contact with the EWF would have been highly influenced by Auld Wyrmish, the language of the Wyrms' Mind Collective.
> I would expect more Ralians (shipped overseas by the > Godlearners in 825),
Why Ralians?
Because rebellious Ralian rabble (sounds like the Life of Brian) were savagely repressed in 825 by Godlearner Monks and shipped overseas. Pavis would have been looking for labour around this time, hence Ralian slaves sold by Middle Sea Empire slave traders.
Joerg:
<< Heortlings are the closest source for civilized settlers able to do
their farming, gardening, and providing the crafts necessary to keep a
city alive. I have great difficulty to imagine a nomad turn mason.>>
ME:
Remember that they have 20 years to do it, a Master of Stone to teach them
and that nomads aren't any less intelligent than anyone else.
Joerg:
<< A new city always provides new opportunities, and will attract
craftspeople and farmers from some distance, but rarely from overseas.
This leaves little choice but Heortlings.
>>
Keith N
So America and Australia, both being considerably overseas, didn't attract
any settlers? Australia reminds me that most early British settlers were not
farmers but often came from a large industrial city (London) but managed to
survive.
Keith N
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