Imperial Age Pavis

From: Peter Metcalfe <metcalph_at_bigfoot.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:24:10 +1300


Keith Nellist:

Me>> Sog is at the far side of the desert near the Block, and
>> further from Pavis than Dragon Pass.

>but more accessible, it is linked by navigable sea, and a navigable
>river. Dragon Pass is a desert away.

And is there some reason why you continue to ignore the existance of the Old Pavis Road? It is easier and cheaper to herd slaves across that road then it is to ship them from Ralios to Pavis.

>> Feroda, the God Learner
>> port at the base of the Zola Fel, was bunged by the Giants at
>> the same time Robcradle was, and we don't hear of its
>> re-establishment.

>And did any of these people escape to, or eventually return to, Pavis? I
>would think that they might have.

Where could they escape to? Pavis isn't even built when Feroda was bunged and Paragua and Waha control Robcradle.

>> And I don't see why a mere port should be assumed to have
>> an abundance of crafters ready to migrate into Pavis.
>> Modern day Corflu doesn't.

>I could use a similar weak argument about crafters in Dragon Pass.

So how was New Pavis founded in your glorantha?

>> Pavis has made friends with Waha and sworn oaths.

>Pavis made a deal, not friends, with Waha. Alliances are always
>temporary in Prax.

The oaths are still re-enacted today according to the Pavis cult writeup. Pavis remains in existance because of these oaths.

>> Pavis was not part of the God
>> Learner Empire and so the Ralians would have been sent to
>> places like Jrustela or Umathela.

>Who needs slaves in Jrustela or Umathela? Do they have a city to build?

The God Learners and yes they did have quite fantastical building requirements.

>Do they have loads of fantastic Cradle Treasures to trade with for
>slaves?

The EWF and their Morokanth lackeys could supply far more slaves to Pavis than the Jrusteli ever could.

>> The morokanth developed a lucrative slave trade,
>> shipping civilized sod-busters to Pavis and strong
>> nomad slaves to Dragon Pass for other tasks.
>> P&BR p17.
 

>> which implies that the "civilized" slaves came from somewhere
>> local rather than further afield.

>The Morokanth could hardly develop a lucrative overseas slave trade as
>they are land based nomads and not seafaring sailors. What the quote
>shows is that civilised farmers were needed.

But no mention of slave trade from the sea. So the farmers came from Dragon Pass, no?

>If you had quoted further you would have read
>that Feroda appears to still be operating, that Jrusteli goods are being
>imported through Pavis to the EWF,

But still no mention of overseas slaves. Besides the quote merely says that the Paps "especially prospered" and obtained exotic items from both the Jrusteli and the EWF. It does not state that the EWF imported goods from the Jrusteli through Pavis - they could have quite easily done so through Nochet.

>and that Pavis supplied the nomads with material goods.

So was the City friendly to the nomads or not in the Imperial Age?

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