New Many Questions :Too Many Cooks?

From: TERRA INCOGNITA <inarsus-ferilt-z_at_mrg.biglobe.ne.jp>
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:08:50 +0900


To Peter Metcalph and Others:
IMHO your concept of Difference between RQ & HW can be traced from Magic and Rune System, and "HERO" concept is derived from both essence.

((PN means Page Number of "Glorantha introduction to HW" on this thread))

  1. Magic As you know, RQ#2 think Two Category of Magic as Basic Magic and Rune Magic, but RQ#3 Avalonhill used Marxian? Civilization Evolution Law applied to Four Class Cultures: (Gathering & Hunting, Nomad, Feudalism (aka Barbarian Belt), Monarchy), and new Category Magic Sorcery topping more older magical-cultural resource in Avalonhillian Dark "Fantasy Europe".

Hero Wars abandons this Darwinian View and accepts more cultural anthropologic attitude. And New Idea of Existence of Mystic Magic and Four Directional Links stood against Structure of past Products especially for more attached Deep Wormed Hole.

Lists:
Battle Magic & Rune Magic, (RQ#2) Spirit Magic is (Aldryami, Uz, Hsunchen, Daka Fali) Battle Magic in RQ#2 and Rune Magic is Rune (GLnish Ideology and Term?)
Magic.

Common Magic, (such as Spirit Screen (Spirit Magic), Spirit Block (Divine Magic), Spirit Resistance (Sorcery Magic)) and Associated Cult (Xiola Umber and Yelm was Friend in Underworld): how can be these links converted to HW mechanism?

Elemental, Demons of Hero Wars Book Illustration are not taxonominated so much as other creatures of Glorantha with elemental resources. (Why they bother us only with their horrible shape & face? Gloranthan horribility is...)

How he replaced Symbolism (as mentioned as Runequest) to Heroism (as mentioned as Hero Wars)?

B: Personalities
Big Cups, Pots, Baskets, Grails...etc. (PN105)
(Beatpot Aelwrin may have cook regiment under Order of JarEel Razoress.
Ottoman Jannisary had Big Pot as Symbol, Commanding Officer was called Soup Handling Chief, Staff Officer Waiter Chief, Legion was called Cooking Stove.)

King Gerlant has rune of combination Law Triangle and Truth Y (PN52) (see below) it
has similarity Godlearner Empire Rune (PN32) please think about historical association of Seshnelan Kingship: Burning Flame Sword was also symbol of GL Empire.

Vronkal, High King Elf of Winterwood has rune of Death and Rebirth, he now also ancestor of Green Elves.

Emperor Yanoor, What is Dragon's Eye (Sun?), What and Where is Circle of Learning,
Warring Ford? (PN195)

If my Bronze Sword Prophet in Pent may has some connection to Invisible Orlanth and Barbarian Belt Orlanth, he was hidden mover of Shadow of Lunar Conquest,
maybe Argrath can use these associate for rebellion against Shepelkirt.

King of Tanisor, Guilmarn from Fat to Imposing is fundamentally changed from Inferiority Rokari to Superiority Bailifes Dynasty, isn't it? (PN

What is the nature such as known as Archexarch of Heaven (or Korudel
(Vithela))? and Hell Udam Bagur (Kralori)?, if its titles are Positions
filled by immortal sages, what is connection between Kralori Emperors and Sages? If they succeeded after his predecessor position one by one as Kralori Emperors,
how they perceive shadows of all Dragon Mystics? Archexarch (God Realm Governor?) and Leader of Exarch (Mundane Province) are all Dragon Mystics?

C: Places
Some of Places are changed or ignored for Converting from RQ to HW for some reason:

Waste
Chaos Bog of Prax ("Krjalki" word is came from Western GL)

Ralios
Hrelar Amali, Grave of King Seed (After Animist Center is removed from North Continent...)
Weksten Republic

Kralorela
Was City Goropheng City of Emperor Metsyla (Osdero)? or Vayobi? (Thrunhin Da is Master of Suam Chou)

D: Runes
Rune Classification Table

What is Rune?

    The Scandinavian Specialized Scripture used for Notching (so it has no horizontal line), and their Leader God Woden (aka Odin) coloured his magic of Runic
Association with "his hanging body on Yggdrasil" mythos.

   But Gloranthan Rune is often used such as Egyptian Hieroglyph or Kanji
(chinese scriture) for mystical reason (this "Mystical" maybe don't mean
Gloranthan "Mystical")
and IMHO Godlearners may use their artificial language with these fonts for reconstructing their own cosmos (And failed, they only can spread orlanthi Language Tradetalk connected to Storm Worshippers) They use many alphabetish Rune such as
Z (Zzabur Initial?) ,M (Rune of Sorcery? see PN200) ,W (I call it McDonald Rune) ,R (Magic Rune in RQ3),Y (Truth Rune: see below) ,V (or Edge?), N(or waertagi wave?), if realworld westernesse means Successor of Aramite Alphabet, Gloranthan Westerness is..

GOD Learnish Rune Analysis:
In RQ#3 Analysis
If you want to express "Worlath" aka Orlanatus (Dara Happan) or simply Orlanth,
Broken Ring, Great Storm of Middle Air, it was "Storm" *2, "Mobility", "Mastery", and when you want genealogy of his linage, Umath had six children and each children received legacy of their disorderous father as One Own Rune: Kolat (Spirit), Vedras (Disorder), Urox (Beast), Humakt (Truth), Ragnaglar (Fertility), Orlanth (Mobility) And if you want Tanian (Fire+Water), here is Lorian (Sky+Water), add dot in the center of Circle.

In HW Rune System
Maybe many Rune lecturer schools existed in Jrusteli Isle of Second Age...(or GL heroquesters go heroquest with thick rune dictionary...)

Head
"S"Sartar's Rune (PN153) has involving Mobility and Illusion?

Gimli: "This is Sauron's S, self-evident" Legoras: "No, he doesn't use Rune of Elf" Aragorn: "And he never uses his true name directly and never permits his slaves
writing or speaking his name " "I guess this "S" is Saruman's S"
("The Two Towers" from Japanese Translation: Tolkien (Sorry, here only it
is.))

Today, Truth Rune linked to "Zayteneras" in GROY as (incarnate of Dayzatar) and it has UP SIDE DOWN tip of three spokes of Illusion Rune

Plant rune changes from three leaf clover to four leaf clover, what means?

Vronkal means Death and Rebirth, but Miyo (PN190) doesn't mean Theft and Death.
How can you distinguish?

mostal Rune has nail-puller, stability, and law, waertag has ship and wave

GROY Polaris Rune is Star with 8 spokes and new Lightbringer Rune has Polaris on Head, upside down Truth on Bottom (PN145,etc..).

Arrow shape means "Power" of Pamalt in RQ3, but today, many Vithelan God-mystics and Arkat also possessed Arrowhead.

Some Runes still avoid Analysis and deny my distinction: PN42 bottom-left Law Rune with three legs, "alternately piled up" Hrestol rune
(PN78top-left) "the sun only shines us"Rune of fronela (PN70top-right, HW
book p49etc..), "Spike" Rune (PN11Large), both Vithelan Runes(PN219), Circle-M Rune (PN200),etc...
Who invented them?

How many can you memorize Gregian Hieroglyph?


End of The Glorantha Digest V7 #775


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