Re: Western Writing

From: Alex Ferguson <abf_at_cs.ucc.ie>
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:10:17 +0100 (BST)


Julian Lord:
> BUT I am not so convinced that Ice Age Brithini (actually,
> pre-Ice Age : this is Golden Age Brithini, isn't it?) used an
> alphabetic script.

I dunno, which do you mean? The Ice Age is the Lesser Darkness/ Storm Age in "comparative Ages" terms, yes. Such a contention is getting into the realm of the imponderable, however. No mortal would have any useful knowledge of such a script (and the immortals ain't telling).

> The basic unresolved problem is whether the Malkioni continue
> to use the 'Core Runes' as idiograms or not : if so, then written
> "modern Brithini" isn't fully alphabetic (because key concepts
> would be routinely written with those idiograms, which are very
> basically unlike the abbreviations used in Latin manuscripts and
> early printed texts) and, more importantly, would seem to point to
> Golden and Ice Age Brithini (and perhaps 17th century Old Brithini)
> having a basically idiographic/logographic script, although such
> a script would have an alphabet attached (not a syllabary, because
> that wouldn't have developed into the modern Malkioni alphabet) for
> such concepts that lack an idiogram, and acronyms, etc, etc.

I disagree. While I concur that "runes" (core or otherwise) are used in modern grimoires, that hardly means that the modern script has "devolved" from a ideographic one, at least by any manifest route. More likely they _are_ used as abbreviations, or more to the point for added precision of reference, in the manner that mathematicians like to cannibalise other alphabets for symbols that they can them give precisely nailed down meanings to.

> If this is wrong, then another interesting question arises : the Core
> Runes *are* idiograms. Where then would they come from ?

Well, they're "ideo-"s, but clearly they're not "-grams" in any strong sense; they're not a writing system, and seem to me to be unlikely to be derived from one.

> Which (prehistoric?) Gloranthan language and/or writing system

Neither a language, nor a writing system. Rather, the use of symbology in the round.

> was so culturally important that its Runes became the basis
> of the Runic systems of about half of Genertela?

GCD(all of them). Probably the Theyalans are the biggest contributors, having themselves gone through something of a 'compilation exercise' earlier. But the whole point was looking for commonalities, after all.


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