Re: Implicit and explicit factors in Extended Contests

From: Paul Andrew King <paul_at_...>
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 07:46:35 +0000


>On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 06:02:02PM +0000, Paul Andrew King wrote:
>> More to the point, AP changes (other than loans) are always losses to
>> one side, so all effects are expressed as a "worsening" of position.
>
>Which to an extent (and I won't claim it's a huge extent, I think this
>is by and large covered by 'if it feels good, do it') is a reason _not_
>to encourage (much less insist on) "I get up from the ground", "I free
>myself from the tentacle", etc, sorts of action, since the contest isn't
>about improving your own position, it's about worsening your opponent's.
>This is true both conceptually (you have to defeat someone/thing in
>order to win) and mechanically (AP totals essentially trend downwards).

Well that depends on the extent to which you feel that that particular rule reflects "reality" rather than being a feature of the mechanics. In my view it is probably there to make sure that contests end in a reasonable amount of time. And I don't think that anyone was insisting on such actions, just that actions had to make narrative sense (i.e. you CAN fight from the ground if you want to, but if you want to be standing then standing has to be at least part of an action - perhaps just mentioning it, perhaps taking the whole action if there is a significant resistance to be dealt with).

Conceptually there is no problem with making moves that put you in a better position to go for a win

>
>Indeed, as mentioned I think by someone else, one might argue that if an
>action _isn't_ phrased in such a way as to make it seem as if it 'helps
>win' the contest, it ought to be treated as an unrelated action (if it's
>appropriate at all).

I have to disagree - certainly in cases where a change in position was the explanation of an AP loss. If a result shifted the AP balance against you then reversing that result ought to shift the balance in your favour.

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Paul K.

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