Re: Re: 4 Worlds Ontology

From: KYER, JEFFREY <jeff.kyer_at_...>
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 09:34:18 -0400

Nick Brooke wrote:
> I think this belongs on the HeroWars list (it's about Glorantha, not Game
> Rules), but I can't be bothered to crosspost and annoy people like me who
> subscribe to both. (BTW, writing annoying duplicate posts to complain about
> annoying duplicate lists is ... annoying and duplicitous, I suppose).
> Nils wrote:
> > 1. There is no mystic otherworld.
> Correct.
> > 2. Are there chaotic otherworlds which are separate from the
> > three ordinary ones?
> Not within Glorantha. There is certainly chaotic contamination of parts of
> the Gloranthan otherworlds (e.g. Darkness Age realms of the God Plane; bad
> places in the Spirit World's landscape; the Hell Plane of the sorcerers'
> Invisible Measure), and these probably become even more confusing than the

Chaos is a contradiction? Wow! I'm not surprised. Actually, most of the hells of the otherworlds seem to be eachother's heavens. Yelm (Celestial Palace) vs Darkness(Burning Hell). Most of the otherworlds have a 'chaos is leaking in here -- that's why (insert bigassed war/chaosfighter entity here) has his home there.

> way the three Underworlds intertwine (cf. HW-NB p.24). But any hypothetical
> Realm of Pure Chaos would be external to Glorantha, by definition.
> Therefore, I would say, it does not count as a Gloranthan Otherworld.
> (Perhaps it'd be a non-World -- a Void of Chaos?)

The underworlds intertwining (like unto row-housing basements) is a good excuse for the troll pantheon to be so diverse -- they have access to everything, it seems.

Or its just a huge soup surrounding the little orderly soap bubble of Glorantha. I try not to think about Chaos Theory too much. It makes me queasy. =)  

> Maybe the Great Secret of Primal Chaos allows you to "become one with Chaos"
> and thereby enter into a Chaotic Otherworld, but by doing so you'd remove
> yourself from Glorantha, permanently.

Or you just disolve back into the primal soup, your suffering and pain gone. Poof.  

> Cheers, Nick


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