> > It's not the actual sword of a major God, or anything like that.
>
> Okay, I've read through the GT quest...
>
> I assume that instead of getting a Raven sidekick, the original EWF quester
> took it as a Sword, right?
I was thinking that it went a bit further than that. I was indeed thinkin of a God Plane quest.
> It doesn't seem to be a really, truely unique item (assuming that the
> original EWF hero only went to the Hero Plane, not the God Plane),
The Raven Banner seems like it should be unique, and so the three weapons that go with it should be unique too.
> especially since it was "created" inside of Time, and I wouldn't worry
> about another person going back to get a similar sword. If he wants *that*
> particular sword, then I think he needs to track its history and find out
> where it is in the Middle World. It's just not "unique" enough to have its
> own otherworld presence, unless the hero has become a God in the meantime...
>
> The vanilla quest doesn't say "the" raven daemon, but "a" raven daemon - so
> there are multiple raven daemons available.
Yes, but in my reasoning the quest, as written, is a shadow of a more powerful quest of the EWF era. The creation of the Raven Banner and the weapons.
But does doing a Godplane quest automatically mean facing adverseries in the w6+ range? When I look at the power levels of published heroes, it seems that 10w3 is pretty much for a sword, and 10w4 would be enough for the Raven Banner. Am I totally in the wrong ballpark?
And if those are the powerlevels of the Godlings involved, shouldn't the difficulty of the Quest, even in the Godplane be roughly in the same brackets.
Admittedly the Quester is the embodying Humakt, but Humakt doesn't face a major God in the Quest. He is enlisting the services of a Raven, and as a test facing a lone wolf pup of Telmor. The pup of Telmor is _not_ even nearly in the same power-range as Humakt.
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But I admit I'm a bit foggy on the Herolevel Quest / Godlevel Quest distinction. The quest description doesn't speak of it being a Hero level quest, the Quester is always referred to as Humakt.
Do you mean that in the Godlevel version Humakt fights Telmor himself, for the services of a much more powerful Ravengod? If so, how powerful is Telmor, and why is he being a lone scavenger?
All in all the quest, as described doesn't sound very difficult. It's pretty hard to see Humakt being defeated in a duel by a wolf.
> How far off you've gone from
> vanilla will affect the outcome, of course, but combining "Hero Plane
> quest" with "Inside of time" indicates to me that the item isn't
> "mythically important" enough to be "unique" as I've been using the
> word. Yes, it's the only one of it's kind currently, but it could
> probably be replicated without affecting the original (Something that,
> say, "Mastakos' Chariot" can't)
These are the questions I've been working on.
Would you say the Raven Banner is a Hero level artefact, and that several can exist at once?
> > > If this is the One and Only True Ravenswing Sword (TM, accept no
> > > substitutes) then you still can't get it through a normal Heroplane
> > > Heroquest, it's gotta be on the God Plane. And there you face *real*
> > > demigods, not Heroplane wannabes.
But aren't the _real_ demigods beings in the 10w3 - 10w5 range? This is exactly the power-range I was working on?
> > Hmm... but when the _actual_ god in question is a minor godling of 10w3
> > power?
>
> So? it's a minor Godling, it lives on the God Plane. If you want a permanent
> effect, the Hero plane isn't enough.
I think I agree with you there. A 10w5 level quest is within the reach of the Household of Death. They have excellent materials to work with (truestone has to be worth a +20 in itself), the rest of the Household of Death fanatics to back them up, holy sites, most auspicious day of the year...
But if a Godplane quest automatically goes into the w9 range then I don't really see how anybody else than the Red Emperor, or a similar person embodying millions can do it. Even for a minor effect, like the one I'm shooting for.
-Adept : fascinated :)
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