Re: History of the Carmanians

From: Greg Stafford <Greg_at_QlYv3ODxQLb_Z40ewkF5Uv45UAyy1FdMV7NetifMDD_EWdhC9E8RJtOl5yoSvU_HnE4or8N>
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:21:22 -0700


YGWV
And that's why I will harshly label some commens here "nonsense," because they are not true in MY Glorantha. I mean no disrespect to other's Glorantha.
I am doing this from memory, and if there is published material that counter this, let me know using the above Subject Line.

Quoting innerworlder2000 <innerworlder2000_at_aJPm5x8dKc0xR5JyESU-u76Zw8ue1xpdj4_8uPr5Du2bY-5VO6Wi2NjQX7hhG6ZojStIlKhbrkTjCsoHZ2BnSW0.yahoo.invalid>:

> In 725 Syranthir left his home and his enemies after learning that his
> wife and brother had slept together.

Nonsense. Syranthir refused to change his beliefs and escaped the land when the God Learnes overran it. His family was killed by the invaders.

> His army, ever loyal to him,
> chose to follow. They set off to follow the Janube river east,

He had hoped to gain strength and attack again, but kept being pursued and pushed farther up river.

> eventually finding employ as mercenaries by the Sweet Sea merchants to
> combat the Baloris barbarians. After performing this service,
> Syranthir and his army traveled east into lands unknown to civilized
> peoples.

They found employment as mercenary unit several times, and several times was driven further away. God Learner agensts chased him for years.

> In 729 Syranthir met the Pelandans of lake Orin who guided him down
> the Oronin river where Dolebury (later the capital of Carmania) was
> established.

The Carmanians did not settle in Dolebury until some time later.

> Syranthir fell in love with the Lady of Lake (she is the
> daughter of the lake and the goddess of water) and oracle for the
> people of lake Oronin. He pledged to help fight the surrounding
> Spolite horde that threatened her people.

They were not Spolites then. The term Spolite comes into use much later to describe the "darkness worshippers" who nearly overthrew the Carmanians. At the itme of Syranthis the term Pelandan is much more appropriate.

> They began their
> relationship when he visited the city wall of Kendesos.

The love story of Syranthir and Charmain is a huge contrast to his previous life of battle, mercenary ruthlessness and thwarted plotting for revenge. He vacillated in his command and mercenary lifestyle, much to the frustration and despair of his followers.

> The Lady of Lake (Charmain) had a castle in the water (called Castle
> Blue). She prohibited her lover from coming there, so they usually
> met on a small island in the lake.

Castle Blue is under the water. I'm pretty sure that he eventually went there.

> Aegrastus, king of the Spolites,

There is no king of the Spolites. Pelanda was a collection of city states organized is shifting alliances, etc.

> had a magical mirror that he used as
> a weapon against Loskalmi Knights called "Mirror of Gbaji". The
> mirror could find the weaknesses in things. Spolites also feared the
> mirror but they always won battles while they dared to use it and saw
> their own weaknesses. So Carmanians defeated Spolites but could not
> chase their retreat. The Lady of Lake told Syranthir that she had an
> item that could defeat even the evil magic of Gbaji's Mirror. Out of
> concern for the Pelandans he pledged to protect, he felt it necessary
> to gain access to this item of power. So, he set out in a boat with a
> companion. He stayed on the island while the comanion (impersonating
> Syranthir) pushed off into the water and paddled the boat back to
> shore. He either followed the Lady of Lake or found a spiral
> passageway that led into the water around the island. He actually
> rode his white stallion down the spiral road into the water of the
> lake. Syranthir never returned from this HeroQuest but did get to
> meet his baby son, Carmanos during the journey.

Syranthir voluntarily entered the lake to be with Charmain. No one knows his ultimate fate.

> More information on
> this quest can be found at:
> http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~BLUEMAGI/syranthirdeath-e.htm
>
> There seems to be some controversy of whether Carmanos made
> pilgrimages or prophetic retreats from Castle Blue to the world of
> humans while he was growing up. However:

He appeared as an adult and came out of the lake, not to return until his death.

> In 750 ST Carmanos the Prophet, son of Syranthir and the goddess
> Charmain (Lady of the Lake), returned from Castle Blue bearing the
> legendary Tablets of Stone.

I know nothing of the Tablets. This is much to Biblical for me.

> At the city of Brinnus he taught first
> taught the new doctrine that combined the Jernotian Way of Pelanda
> with the wizard Estrekor's Romanakrin doctrine.

His teaching wer neever presented as combinations of anything. He revealed the doctrine of the Idovanus and others may have said "This is a combination of so and so," but Carmanos never did, nor does his taching acknowledge such nonsense.

> He exalted Idovanus
> as Romanakirn – the Highest God, the God of Good. This Romanakrin way
> described the role of the Invisible God's two prime emanations –
> Idovanus and Gansatarus. Carmanos established the Order of Magi to
> expose the deceit of Gansatarus and to divine the will of Idovanus.

Carmanos established the Order of Magi to reveal the will of Idovanus and to combat the deceit of Gansatarus.

> He restricted the worship of Idovanus to the Order of Magi.

Everyone in Carmania worship Idovanus, though only the Magi truely communicate with Him and gaine magic thereby.

> However,
> the rest of the population is allowed to worship Good Gods as
> determined by the Magi.

Corect. And many of these "low gods" were revealed to be "saintly" if worshipped with the proper (sorcerous) rites.



Sincerely,
Greg Stafford

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