Re: Subcult of Yinkin the Chief (or Yinkin the king)

From: Richard Hayes <richard_hayes29_at_xsA4Ue1x21sscCSHqSTYa7asmhKoL2nSE_uLWLitKVHGSlM5NugWnDYjwzVK>
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 15:46:31 +0000 (GMT)


Chaps,
 
I know Manuel's (interesting) point was about Glorantha, and not about any games system.  
I wasn't complaining about Jeff giving an answer in terms of HeroQuest on this list either. I just wanted to ask if anybody could build on Jeff's answer with ideas about how these same ideas about Glorantha that we were discussing here, (and that Jeff had helpfully explained in HQ terms), might translate into Runequest.  
I didn't think anyone had done anything inappropriate here, with (in retrospect) the possible exception  of myself. If I was dragging this list too far into game mechanics, please accept my apologies.  
As for the point about someone joining a leadership sub-cult when they are already some kind of devotee, I thought that the recent Sartar book identified leadership cults as a bit of a special case in relation to multiple initiations.  
Isn't it okay to become an initiate of a leadership sub-cult (Orlanth, Ernalda or Elmal-- or Odayla in Sylila?) whilst remaining a devotee in the other cult-- perhaps not least because the kind of people that qualify for leadership cults  will have had to prove themselves first.  
To me at least, it seems unremarkable that part of this process of proving oneself in the eyes of the community  should involve becoming (and staying) devoted to an aspect of a god-- possibly even if the god to whom the person is devoted isn't the same god as the  god of the leadership cult, (as long as they are in the same pantheon, like e.g. the Odaylan who becomes chief of an Orlanthi clan)  
Richard Hayes

From: Manuel MOLINIER <manuel.molinier_at_jCso2rQ7ytB0B-Y-ogD_O1LHenIWoXMJGV_TgZ3PADA4-3b-mKmI91GrXd3B10Mcd5JnwEtJdAwx3wlexrTnspwyf3I.yahoo.invalid> Subject: Re: Subcult of Yinkin the Chief (or Yinkin the king) To: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, 8 June, 2010, 14:07

Hi Richard & Jeff,
thanks a lot for additional info & idea.

Richard: The 1st part of my question was Glorantha generic enough that I prefered to ask it here (of interest to anyone whatever system it is). Now I'll have to make more HQ2.0 assumption or question so if it is considered inapropriate I will bring them on another list.

HQ2 bits: I figured out that having the leader pledging to Orlanth (as an initiate) would be a solution as the character already have the air rune. As a devotee you are supposed to cast down any other initiate status. Then I guess it is either for me to allow to have Devotee of Yinkin + Initiate of Orlanth Dar (as a charge related initiation) or the devotee choosing to step down as an initiate of Yinkin and of Orlanth Dar. Or something else.

Manuel

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:29 PM, Richard Hayes <richard_hayes29_at_N7Sbz2CCm1LnqJ8Yo-IpgAJMHVqTJ-OzFEKkQRU1m6vF35Qax6bvfOtDQznCYrnUW5sJvvc3VSrW3OGjIDZ7BzMi.yahoo.invalid>wrote:

>
>
> In the (probably unlikely) event that a clan did want to appoint a Yinkin
> cultist as their chief, is there any reason why the Yinkin cultist wouldn't
> go through the same process as that referred to below in the case of the
> Odaylan who became chief? (Apart from substituting 'Cat' rune for 'Bear'
> rune)
>
> Also that is very much a HeroQuest example-- how would it work for those of
> us who, for whatever reason, are more inclined to experience Glorantha
> through Runequest?
>
> My  'back of a cigarette packet' solution would be that the new chief has
> to pledge some POW to the relevant Chiefs' sub-cult of Orlanth in exchange
> for the ability to perform Leadership-centred Feats (or cast
> Leadership-based Runespells, in the older terminology), though holding the
> office of Chief itself would provide access to some other magical resources
> without pledging POW, e.g. in relation to commanding the clan's Wyter on
> behalf of the clan. To say nothing of the temporal power the new chief could
> command through the clan
>
>
> Richard Hayes
>
> --- On Tue, 8/6/10, Jeff <richaje_at_nuU5daX7gKXIVqHq7ZcL3bnUW4ULB5yZJRoT9BWgOFsK2Fz0rjNtACirO4mC6VVxmEr7k4ApbdLpbA.yahoo.invalid <richaje%40gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> From: Jeff <richaje_at_nuU5daX7gKXIVqHq7ZcL3bnUW4ULB5yZJRoT9BWgOFsK2Fz0rjNtACirO4mC6VVxmEr7k4ApbdLpbA.yahoo.invalid <richaje%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: Subcult of Yinkin the Chief (or Yinkin the
> king)
> To: WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com <WorldofGlorantha%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 8 June, 2010, 13:10
>
>
> In Sartar, when an Odaylan cultist becomes a clan chief, he becomes
> initiated into the cult of Orlanth as well (which is very easy given the
> close connection between Odayla and Orlanth).
>
> So lets imagine Veski the Bear, with an Air Rune 1W, a Bear Rune of 10W and
> a Movement Rune of 17. For some reason, Veski's clan makes him chief (maybe
> he is the best warrior). Veski is acclaimed and in the ceremonies making him
> chief, he is accepted as the representative of Orlanth for the clan and as a
> priest of Orlanth the Chief. He takes the Mastery Rune starting at 13 - he's
> not particularly good at rulership magic, but has some.
>
> Veski is still an initiate of Odayla (divine rune affinity 10W) but is also
> an initiate of Orlanth (divine rune affinity 1W).
>
> Jeff
>
> --- In WorldofGlorantha_at_yahoogroups.com<WorldofGlorantha%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "ileskela" <ileskela_at_...> wrote:
> >
> > I've toyed with the idea of a leader subcult of Odayla (the Bear Chief).
> >
> > I think the point is to create a situation, a social need, a mythos,
> where a prominent member of the specialist god needs to take the position of
> a leader. In a normal clan, such situations rarely arise, the leader (Dar)
> aspects of Orlanth and Ernalda (and in some traditions, Elmal) usually being
> the best and natural ones.
> >
> > You can find the article in the Zin Letters #3, available from Tradetalk,
> www.tradetalk.de.
> >
> > -ile
> >
>
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